Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Courtyard of the Old Residency in Munich


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The result was merge to Paintings by Adolf Hitler. Davewild (talk) 17:36, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

The Courtyard of the Old Residency in Munich

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After I outmerged the irrelevant information about Hitler's short career as an artist, this is all that is left. It is one of an estimated 300 paintings by Hitler; one of at least four housed at the Army Center of Military History warehouse. My search on several resources has revealed little about this. Knowing the painting's real title would help. Given it's secluded location I doubt much more about this will come to light anytime soon. I would love to be proven wrong however. Mark Schierbecker (talk) 06:18, 20 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Update For anyone who wants to join me in my search, it is indexed as "29082 Painting, Watercolor, On Paper, "Old Court In Munich", by Hitler, Adolf, 1914, Early-20th Century." Mark Schierbecker (talk) 06:31, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
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 * Update 2 - I discovered we have a photo of the painting in its warehouse. The one on the upper left is arguably more notable: it was one of Hitler's during a rejected submission to the Vienna School of Art. It was one of four concerned in Price v. United States. Would have to find coverage of this one specifically to ascertain notability. Mark Schierbecker (talk) 19:01, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
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 * Comment -- Hitler is of course notorious. Because of that his work is never exhibited.  The question is whether he was sufficiently good as an artist for his (short) atistic career to merit an article.  If kept, it should be renamed to reflect its true title,  "Old Court In Munich", by Hitler, Adolf (as now discovered).  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:31, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Skill of the artists is irrelevant on Wikipedia. Some works are notable for their lack of taste. Mark Schierbecker (talk) 18:54, 20 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete As it stands the article makes close to no specific comments on its namesake painting, just commenting on Hitler's art in general. I've searched around and found close to nothing on it. There do seem to be a few books around about Hitler's career as a painter however, and perhaps if someone can get a hold of one that contains information about this specific painting the article can be salvaged. Brustopher (talk) 17:39, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Switching to Merge per Savonneux Brustopher (talk) 22:38, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Better - Merge and redirect to Paintings by Adolf Hitler per others. Johnbod (talk) 23:06, 2 August 2015 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 *  Leaning Keep  This particular painting is quite often used as an illustration re Hitler's artistic aspirations. The text is awful though. Johnbod (talk) 21:41, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mz7 (talk) 02:07, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep Per WP:N If a notable person's main article is too long to contain all of their works, then a separate page can be created for that information. Mein Kampf Has its own article despite the authors lack of notability as an writer. This work has coverage and is reproduced in many places despite the creator's lack of notability as an artist . Savonneux (talk) 09:00, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Can you point to any in depth coverage this piece has recieved? The article seems to use sources mostly to comment on Hitler's art in general, instead of this specific painting. Brustopher (talk) 20:32, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Changing vote to Merge and redirect to Paintings by Adolf Hitler (didn't see it before), far more elegant solution since this is a WP:BARE article.--Savonneux (talk) 04:47, 28 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Merge and redirect to Paintings by Adolf Hitler as well. Heyyouoverthere (talk) 20:21, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect to Paintings by Adolf Hitler as per Heyyouoverthere. There are sources that discuss this painting, here:   There is pretty much nothing in Hitler's life that hasn't been discussed somewhere.  The painting is of a famouspicturesque view of  pre-war Munich.  But I see nothing that makes this particular Hitler watercolor notable.E.M.Gregory (talk) 17:25, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
 * It is one of the paintings Gordon Gilkey rounded up in the immediate post-war period, acting on behalf of the Allied Forces. There are a number of sources on the painting  all so brief that merging makes sense to me.E.M.Gregory (talk) 17:33, 3 August 2015 (UTC)


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