Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Craft (musical)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete.  Sandstein  05:18, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

The Craft (musical)

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The movie is notable. A musical based on the movie that hasn't even premiered yet is not. JoelWhy (talk) 13:26, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

As the author of this article, I can confirm that Peter Filardi (the film's writer) gave permission for this musical to move forward. There are also links provided in the article to where music from the musical can be listened to. Although a production hasn't premiered yet, it is still a musical by definition. And I believe it fits the Wikipedia criteria. Thank you for your consideration. kjtenorman (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 13:41, 25 April 2012 (UTC).


 * Comment No one is disputing that the musical exists. However, merely existing doesn't demonstrate notability. Please review Wikiepdia's notability guidelines for an explanation of the criteria for inclusion.JoelWhy (talk) 13:45, 25 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment Understandable, though I would like to respectfully offer an article like Scarrie! The Musical which doesn't seem to meet the rather high expectations for musician notability either. It is an unauthorized parody with only a few known productions.  While a production of The Craft, The Musical hasn't occured yet, it is more authorized than Scarrie! is. --Kjtenorman (talk) 14:14, 25 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Well, it's apparently satire, which generally doesn't require permission or licensing under U.S. copyright laws. However, thank you for pointing out a page that also doesn't meet notability requirements. I have requested that it, too, be deleted. You shouldn't take this personally, if the show is a hit (and I certainly would consider going to see a musical version of The Craft), it will garner coverage making a Wiki entry warranted.JoelWhy (talk) 14:25, 25 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Alright, well I won't offer more article examples (though I can think of a few) because I now feel guilty enough for causing someone else's work on a Wikipedia page to go to waste. Obviously I feel that my page should stay, but I will have to respect whatever is decided on.  I appreciate your interest in the project regardless, and I don't take the situation personally.--Kjtenorman (talk) 14:32, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
 * lol, no reason to feel guilty. Someone would have stumbled upon it eventually and deleted it.


 * Delete/Userfy An obvious case of WP:TOOSOON. It's nowhere near opening.  If it opens, it will probably be reviewed and will probably be notable, and the article can be recreated.  However it may not open at all - plenty of plays are cancelled at a later stage than this, or delayed, rewritten, modified, or get some kind of stasis spell placed on them by mischievous teenagers.  If there were reliable references, it could be merged with the film's page, but there's none yet. --Colapeninsula (talk) 16:27, 25 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:TOOSOON. As stated, once the musical actually debuts, it could potentially garner enough notability to have the article recreated.  But at this point, its far too soon to pass the GNG.  Rorshacma (talk) 16:57, 25 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment I do note that there are several wikipedia articles of little-known musical works (some that haven't premiered yet) by famous composers. I am not a famous composer, but the film and the film's writer (who has endorsed the project) are notable.  I contend that if little-known works by famous composers are allowed then this project, which has the endorsement of a noteable writer (whose material is the source for this project) and is based on a noteable film, should be.  I also note that I have provided a reference to a listing of the show on CastAlbums.org which has its own qualifications for determining whether a show is notable or not.  I realize those are not the same as Wikipedia guidelines though.  While I do understand the argument regarding it being too soon for the project to be on Wikipedia, I am just trying to make my case for why it should be.   Thank you for the continued consideration.--Kjtenorman (talk) 02:08, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Arts-related deletion discussions.  — Frankie (talk) 20:31, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
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