Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Crescent School

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was KEEP. Postdlf 23:50, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

The Crescent School
Non-notable private school. Firebug 04:24, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Tad POV as well, isn't it?  Not only that, they don't say why they're notable or why anyone should care.  To our esteemed inclusionists:  Please judge this article on its encyclopedic merits and not its subject matter.  Thanks. - Lucky 6.9 04:26, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Well if you could just get people to nominate the article on its encyclopedic merits, not its subject... Kappa 11:18, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep The post VfD editing has brought this article up to snuff. Congrats to User:BaronLarf for a nice save. The current version passes the Toowoomba Grammar School test as expected of a school that has frequently topped the list of best private schools in Canada.. Naturally all school's are worthy of inclusion into a truely great encyclopaedia. But you already knew that. Klonimus 06:43, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * If you think all schools should be included, why do you have a test for them? Radiant_* 14:13, Apr 19, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. School vanity. Jonathunder 06:53, 2005 Apr 19 (UTC)
 * Delete. Minor improvements don't keep this from being anything more than a useless collection of generic facts about an insignificant school. This is not an encyclopedia article. Individual schools are not inherently encyclopedic and there is nothing to distinguish insignificant schools like this one from thousands of nearly identical schools around the world. Gamaliel 07:08, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Extreme keep. Minor improvements improve the quality of the article, IMHO this is a Good Thing (tm). What makes this school both notable and distinguishable from others within the region of Ontario is that it received the highest rating possible from the Fraser Institute, 1st place (out of 568).        These facts are neither generic nor useless.  &mdash;RaD Man (talk) 07:27, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: This nomination was made by yet another account created in the past six weeks that immediately gravitated towards VfD (within 3 days of account creation). This is the third one this week.  *sigh*  &mdash;RaD Man (talk) 01:13, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Pardon me, the account is only 2 weeks old, not six. &mdash;RaD Man (talk) 01:16, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Stop trying to intimidate VFD contributors. Firebug 03:42, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete: Not notable enough. &#37109;&#20415;&#31665; 07:12, Apr 19, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Seems to turn out more than its share of notable people: a bigshot member of parlement, the founding president of a university, a noteworthy author, publisher, and television host, and others. --Carnildo 08:10, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, not notable, cruft. Megan1967 08:49, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete all schools where there's an abusive attempt to manipulate the vote. &mdash;Korath (Talk) 08:57, Apr 19, 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: So are you going to delete valid school articles too, if someone tries to manipulate the vote? That would be a great way for a deletionist to get something deleted. Please judge the article, not on user actions. Mgm|(talk) 10:05, Apr 19, 2005 (UTC)
 * I would be happy to judge the article on its own merits, if I had any confidence whatsoever that the Schoolwatchers were. I no longer do. &mdash;Korath (Talk) 11:50, Apr 19, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, tops the Fraser list and has notable alumni. Mgm|(talk) 10:05, Apr 19, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, has non-generic and useful information. Kappa 11:20, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Notable school. (If the deletionists really want to get rid of all articles about buildings/institutions why not leave the schools alone, and delete some of the non-notable railway stations clogging up Wikipedia?)  P Ingerson 11:30, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep At least this boats some alumni and a reason for notability (Fraser), rather than yet another unencyclopaedic high school. Not all schools are worthy for inclusion... but this one just might be. The JPS 11:47, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * The article is still too short for my tastes, but topping the list of 'best private schools in Canada' does make it notable imho. Can someone BEEFSTEW it please? Keep. Radiant_* 14:13, Apr 19, 2005 (UTC)
 * BEEFSTEW: 5 (A, B, D, F, H). --TenOfAllTrades | Talk 15:11, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Changing vote to keep. Notability established.  In fact a BEEFSTEW of 5 is the highest I can recall seeing. - Lucky 6.9 22:02, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Question: BEEFSTEW of 5 is a reasonable target even for an average school, would you be prepared to vote keep for one? Kappa 22:25, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Excellent question. I try and base my votes on these school articles partially on their encyclopedic content.  In all fairness, a good article on a so-so school should probably be considered as a keeper.  It's the "bored student substubs" I vote against, especially if there's no information online to expand the stub.  However, I think that a so-so school had better represent itself well, avoiding "weasel" words and phrases like their mission statement.  I try and look at some of these from the viewpoint of an advertising copywriter.  One of the biggest no-noes is unsubstantiated claims to greatness.  School articles are usually rife with these.  Hope I answered your question.  Ask anytime.  :) - Lucky 6.9 06:30, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep and continue to expand. Schools should not need to prove notability, even though this one is notable. (I researched school, found and added the alumni, and plan to do more.  This is not a mindless, inclusionist vote)--BaronLarf 22:22, Apr 19, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Being rated as the best private school in Canada by a reputable source and notable alumni establish notability for mine. Capitalistroadster 23:19, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Nomination does not conform with deletion policy.--Gene_poole 23:30, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * The problem is that there is no deletion policy for schools. Unless we have a real policy in place for all of these articles, these arguments will erupt whenever a school is put up for VfD. Firebug 03:41, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * So how about WP:BEEFSTEW of 5 gets an article, substubs are deleted, less than 5 gets merged if it isn't growing? Kappa 05:30, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Not in its current form. As mentioned on the BEEFSTEW page, only criteria H, J, and sometimes G would be accepted to show notability for any other subject.  I've had pet fish about which I could write articles that meet criteria A-E. &mdash;Korath (Talk) 06:05, Apr 20, 2005 (UTC)
 * Make a mention on Toronto, Ontario and delete - Skysmith 07:52, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep This is notable in Canada, even if isn't notable in the US. Ground Zero 16:01, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Weak keep- the school is probably notable enough. --G Rutter 18:47, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * keep, this does not seem right Yuckfoo 21:12, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep Notability established. N-Mantalk 11:41, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Nicely improved and further expandible. Samaritan 11:50, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. This is not a run-of-the-mill public school; obviously the article needs expansion, but given time it should grow properly. --NormanEinstein 19:55, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)#
 * Keep Why do people want to delete school articles when it is policy that all railway station articles are kept? Oliver Chettle 02:26, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep award winning schools are certainly notable.  ALKIVAR &trade;[[Image:Radioactive.svg|18px|]] 09:45, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. This one actually seems notable, and is almost a hundred years old.  Noisy | Talk 11:07, Apr 23, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, though it still seems short to me. --MikeJ9919 00:18, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. --Spinboy 06:15, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, I'm sorry but I don't see how this needs to be here. Who's ever going to look it up? Master Thief Garrett 01:33, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Maybe someone interested in private schools in Toronto, or the best private schools in Canada. Kappa 01:36, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, articles on all secondary schools should be included in the encyclopedia. over the years thousands graduate from any one school - to (most of) those alumni plus hundreds others interested in education or the community in which a particular school is located these pages are (theoretically) important. there should be a policy put in place allowing articles on sec schools to exist (and railway stations too!). Mayumashu 16:16, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[A review of the deletion policy confirms my gut reaction. It is clearly implicit by what wiki provides as criteria for deletion that an article on a secondary school is, in and of itself, worthy of having in wiki. firstly, the number of articles that wiki can have is explicitly stated as a non-issue in judging an article's worth. secondly, an article on any school does not fall under any of the categories listed at WP:NOT as what wiki is not. moreover, its worth reiterating that any one school will mean something to literally thousands of people (the majority of which are not present wiki contributors or even users no doubt, but are nonetheless, potential ones). this is a cut and dry case Mayumashu 16:56, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC) ]
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