Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Curse and The Ugly


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The result was delete. –  Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 00:33, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

The Curse and The Ugly

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Two Canadian punk rock bands from the 1970s, both lacking any strong claim to passing WP:NMUSIC and any reliable sourcing to support it — both are sourced exclusively to non-notable and unreliable fansites rather than to real media coverage, and the only actual notability claim present in either article is that The Curse were the first all-female punk band in North America if you discount the all-female punk band that came before them as "not really punk", which is absurd because anybody can claim to be the first anything if you just handwave all their predecessors away. Wikipedia is not a free publicity platform on which any band is automatically entitled to an article just because they existed, so the fact that they may have been in an under-the-radar genre that didn't garner enough media coverage does not constitute an exemption from having to source the article to media coverage — it's not our role to rectify the historical undercoverage of underground music, if we have to rely on weak sourcing to do it. If an "underappreciated" band didn't get the level of coverage in real, reliable media that NMUSIC and WP:GNG require, then they just don't get to have a Wikipedia article. It's not our job to have articles about every band that ever existed at all; it's our job to have articles about bands that are reliably sourceable as having attained notability for something. Bearcat (talk) 18:25, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ontario-related deletion discussions. Bearcat (talk) 18:29, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Bearcat (talk) 18:29, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Natg 19 (talk) 01:39, 17 December 2016 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment. The book Perfect Youth: The Birth of Canadian Punk has some substantial content about The Curse  and about The Ugly ;  a search for  turns up other potential sources.  On the other hand, it might be more useful for interested editors to devote some effort improving Canadian punk rock with sourced discussions. I am limited for time right now, but may have a chance to come back to this shortly.--Arxiloxos (talk) 03:55, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — UY Scuti Talk  20:06, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - No sign of notability. Speedy deletion Scorpion293 (talk) 20:43, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - fails WP:NMUSIC. Oppose speedy deletion as there is a claim of notability within the article, therefore precluding A7. -- sandgemADDICT yeah? 04:19, 25 December 2016 (UTC)


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