Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Defiant (band)


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The result was keep‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. Liz Read! Talk! 06:24, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

The Defiant (band)

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A newly created band consisting of notable members fails to establish independent notability. I tried, but couldn't find significant coverage in third-party reliable sources. A Google News search yielded some sources, but they mostly consist of passing mentions or routine coverage. IMO, it fails to meet the criteria outlined in WP:NBAND and is a possible case of WP:NOTINHERITED. GSS &#x202F;&#128172; 07:31, 6 April 2024 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 06:42, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians, Music,  and United States of America. GSS &#x202F;&#128172; 07:31, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep meets WP:BAND, coverage in the Boston Globe and Phoenix New Times. Mach61 08:24, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I doubt these sources discuss the band in detail; rather, they likely provide routine coverage. GSS &#x202F;&#128172; 08:45, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * @GSS why are you writing this as if you haven't actually read the linked articles Mach61 17:36, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * That's your assumption; nothing else. Could you explain how the sources you mentioned above satisfy WP:INDEPTH? GSS &#x202F;&#128172; 17:52, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * @GSS The New Times piece is over 1000 words long Tangential:INDEPTH links to WP:Notability (events), which is obviously not applicable in this case. Perhaps you caught a case of WP:UPPERCASE? Mach61 18:44, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * ⁤I agree that the article is lengthy, but it seems to lack sufficient independent focus on the band itself. ⁤⁤Throughout this article, the band's name is mentioned only five times, excluding the title and image description, and often in passing. ⁤⁤It's quite normal to receive such attention in the media when the subject is linked to notable people. ⁤⁤However, as of now, since the band was formed, it hasn't achieved anything notable. ⁤⁤They have released a few single and only one album, and that too on a non-notable label. ⁤⁤While the band has garnered some attention because of its notable founding members, this doesn't establish independent notability. Therefore, I would say it's too soon for an independent article until the band becomes independently notable. GSS &#x202F;&#128172; 04:36, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
 * @GSS Your statement that Throughout this article, the band's name is mentioned only five times, excluding the title and image description, and often in passing} is nonsensical, the term "passing mention" refers to coverage 1-2 sentences long in an article. Obviously, an article about the band is not a passing mention of them.
 * Your statement that the band hasn't "achieved" anything notable is just an opinion; I've already shown two sources covering them in detail Mach61 23:16, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep: Meets WP:NMUSIC#6 and #12 (featured on Jimmy Kimmel Live). I don't think the Boston Globe article meets SIGCOV because it only really states the band has formed and the members; the rest of it is about Barrett and the Bosstone's.  However, the Phoenix New Times does meet SIGCOV with a nice overview of their debut album which in combination with the other criteria, gets it over the hump for me. S0091 (talk) 15:34, 19 April 2024 (UTC)


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