Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Defiants


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was no consensus to delete, but *cough cough* some consensus to cleanup would be nice. W.marsh 03:08, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

The Defiants
One single released. No evidence provided for any other claim to notability and that is not enough to justify an article. Author is the drummer in the band. Spondoolicks 13:46, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom  Wh e  re  (talk) 14:13, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. Blatant self promotion. --Soumyasch 14:14, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep. Annoying as the article's author is, and as much as the article needs to be cleaned up, the group is notable as a representative of a notable musical school of its time. The one single is still "in print", 40 years later, on various anthologies documenting that school of music. How many of the Pokemon characters, porn stars, and low-grade pro athletes whose notability is recognized here will be able to make parallel claims in 40 years? Debating whether the band should be notable isn't terribly relevant; Wikipedia editors shouldn't be re-evaluating otherwise valid external demonstrations of notability; it's an ersatz form of original research. Monicasdude 15:41, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. WP:MUSIC was formulated with present-day acts in mind.  The Defiants would not be notable were they have to started their career in, say, 1998.  But the early 1960s was another era, and areas like Litchfield (and other parts of the rural Midwest) were at that time culturally disconnected from the larger music scene.  In those days Minneapolis was the nearest larger town, an 80 mile drive along Highway 12, a two-lane road with whistle stop towns every 6 miles or so.  That Litchfield had a rock band at all is itself notable, and though the article does not assert this, the Defiants were perhaps the first such band in Litchfield.  A formulaic delete based upon blind application of WP:MUSIC would not serve the project.  I do agree that the article is badly in need of cleanup, something that is likely to come with time.  The Uninvited Co., Inc. 17:59, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:MUSIC. Just because the Defiants were a garage rock band in the 60's does not exempt them from meeting that criteria.  Other contemporaries of theirs meet the criteria (Question Mark & the Mysterians from podunk Saginaw, MI for example).  No reason the Defiants should get a free pass to circumvent this.  Also, the claim that their one single is still "in print" is without any sourcing, so it can't really be considered a valid external demonstration of notability.  Just mentioning that their one single appeared on a number of compiliations or anthologies isn't sufficient... this needs to be sourced. If someone can list even a few compiliations or anthologies this song appeared on I'd be willing to reconsider the notability issue, I personally couldn't find any (only found one 45 issued by Studio City records, 1965).  If this article survives AfD I'll edit it for copy and content.--Isotope23 18:24, 28 March 2006 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.