Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Dhimmi: Jews and Christians Under Islam


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus with leave to speedy renominate. Listed for 13 days with no arguments for deletion aside from the nominator but not enough participation to determine consensus. (non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman (talk) 23:18, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

The Dhimmi: Jews and Christians Under Islam

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Like most other articles created by now-banned User:CltFn, this one is a puff piece that lacks reliable, third-party sources. The real purpose of this article is to inflate the credentials of Bat Ye'or, who is rather tendentiously described as a "historian and expert on Islamic culture" despite her lack of any academic standing. This book has never received any notice or discussion outside the walled garden of anti-Islam agitprop. No reviews by neutral sources like major newspapers, magazines, scholarly journals, etc. Fails WP:V, WP:NPOV, and the notability guidelines in WP:BK. *** Crotalus *** 16:08, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. Thryduulf (talk) 22:07, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Islam-related deletion discussions. Thryduulf (talk) 22:07, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Judaism-related deletion discussions. Thryduulf (talk)
 * Comment -- This is actually an article about a book, of the not an article on the status Dhimmi under Islam. Whether it is a notable one I am not qualified to judge.  The underlying subject, the oppressive attitude of Islam to other religions living in Muslim-controlled lands is an important one, but I hope that WP has articles on this elsewhere.  Assuming that the article correctly reports the book's content, it seems to me a legitmate article.  The only "unbalanced" item may be the assertions about the author's importance.  Having not seen the book I am not qualified to say more.  Another question is whether WP is an appropriate forum for reviewing books.  Peterkingiron (talk) 13:50, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep I checked google books and found hundreds of books that cite this book. With statements like  "For the Islamic policy towards Jews and Christians see Bat Ye'or, The Dhimmi. Jews and Christians under Islam, London 1985".  The article is poorly sourced and in dire need of improvement of every sort.    It would be nice to waste less time on politically-motivated DKYs.Historicist (talk) 18:13, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll ignore your assumption of bad faith. How can we write an article that meets the requirements of WP:V and WP:NPOV, while basing our article on reliable third-party sources as policy requires? Saying that the book was cited by other books doesn't help us write an encyclopedia article. Where are the book reviews, discussions of the book, etc., in reliable sources? If no one in the mainstream bothered to review the book, how notable can it be and why should we have an article on it? *** Crotalus *** 15:06, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

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