Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Diabetes Duo: Captain Glucose and Meter Boy


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. No clear consensus that this is not notable, but needs cleanup.  Sandstein  05:05, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

The Diabetes Duo: Captain Glucose and Meter Boy

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 * Delete. Non-notable -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 01:02, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Explanation for Notability --  User:Carljtwo Somewhat confused as to why this was tagged as non-notable and will try to make my explanation brief. These diabetes superhero characters have existed for many years and have a large and important presence in the diabetes community and the diabetes online community. They are world renowned and have been featured on diabetes blogsites and publications throughout the world including the International Diabetes Federation. I respectfully suggest that the page is important as a source by which the millions of people with diabetes can find out more about the Diabetes Duo and their important mission. (I hope I formatted this correctly and that this is the right place to respond as I've never done this before).  —Preceding undated comment added 01:33, 31 July 2011 (UTC).
 * This article is relevant and notable based on my understanding of the notability guidelines. The subject and characters in question are commonly and widely known throughout the diabetes community and are have contributed to diabetes awareness and charitable related events. It also appears that there is no spam involved nor is the focus of the characters written about by the original creator of the article done in a manner to promote anything. Lorenzorro (talk) 00:57, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
 * The related notability guideline is at WP:WEB. Since the notability guidelines are descriptive it is a judgement call as to whether it is a notable topic. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 02:49, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, that sheds some light and clears up my confusion, Alan, and thanks for directing me there. I agree that the notability question is subjective so it is obviously not my call to make. All I can do is point out that these characters, and what I consider to be their important mission, coupled with the many articles and sources proving that they have become an important part of the diabetes community, makes the information about them on Wikipedia an important and worthwhile addition, IMHO. Since they are not selling anything nor could their mission be considered spam in any manner, they should be included here. But yes, it is totally subjective and therefore I understand why it has come to the point where the notability of the article is now being questioned. I have nothing more to add so although I'd rather quote Vonnegut and say "so it goes" it seems that Doris Day's "que sera sera" is a more fitting quote to end my part of this discussion with. But please don't tell anyone I quoted Doris Day. --User:Carljtwo —Preceding undated comment added 05:19, 31 July 2011 (UTC).
 * Importance does not directly relate to notability on WP. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 05:22, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay, one last comment, I promise. Their notability is they are the first and only animated diabetes superheroes. --Carljtwo (talk) 06:56, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
 * That is a fairly tenuous claim to notability. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 07:20, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Understandably so. There are a lot of firsts, but that doesn't necessarily mean they merit a Wikipedia articles. Carson (talk) 13:26, 1 August 2011 (UTC)****
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Comics and animation-related deletion discussions.  — • Gene93k (talk) 15:57, 1 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:26, 7 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Question Did the International Diabetes Federation ever publish anything with these two as Mascots? ...even if its not Online. To me it's pretty borderline. Exit2DOS • Ctrl • Alt • Del 02:39, 7 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment - This title is bad, it should be either The Diabetes Duo or Captain Glucose and Meter Boy, with the title not chosen redirecting to the title that was chosen. Attempting to search this full phrase is fruitless, need to pick one or the other or both as search terms. I'm now searching, but in the (likely) event that this closes a keep, that title definitely needs to be changed. Carrite (talk) 17:05, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
 * DON'T DELETE I agree that thetitle might need to be revisedbut the page and characters are certainly notable. I first saw them when the IDF shared their work on World Diabetes Day. They have been featured all over the US and in internationally as well. Two sources are the Argentina diabetes site blogdiabeticotipo and Germany diabetes-leben site in addtionj to the IDF. They are notable not just because they are the first and only diabetes superheroes, but that they are world renowned for their work. The two actors who play these characters are also internationally known. In the diabetes world CG & MB are just as notable as any other animated characters that are wll known...and they have a charitable mission to boot, which is more than I can say for most other cartoon characters. Diabetesmomma (talk) 23:15, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Here's a feeder page for the material run by the Diabetes Hands Foundation. My first glance at the Google hits is that this subject is a keeper. Still searching... Carrite (talk) 17:08, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, my dig has been unfruitful. I don't deal with the standards for web comics and web video, but I'm not turning up the sort of independent sourcing one would like to find to constitute iron-clad notability. The novelty of the subject might lead one towards an IAR keep; I certainly would see that as a positive outcome. But my dig isn't churning up sourcing nuggets. Carrite (talk) 17:26, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

69.232.154.135 (talk) 19:45, 7 August 2011 (UTC) 69.232.154.135 (talk) 20:47, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I have been following the discussion on the “notability” of Captain Glucose and Meter Boy after being told about it by my neighbor. Who is and who isn’t notable in your world is a subject I’m not well versed in.  But I can tell you that my two young nephews and my niece who have to deal with Juvenile Diabetes on a daily basis know exactly who Captain Glucose and Meter Boy are.  Pictures of the Diabetic Duo hang on their bedroom wall to remind them that they too are Diabetic Super Heroes.  To my nephews and niece the Captain and his sidekick are role models and an inspiration to three kids who don’t deserve the hand they were dealt.   The Diabetic Duo may be “non-notable” to you but not to us.  If you’re voting on this notary thing put down their parents and I as resound YES. Theymightbeus1 (talk) 18:43, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete - As per nom. Non notable webcomics or what else. Also, just because your neighbor know about a subject this does not prove that it is notable, there is a street dog in my city named Apachua, and my 3y.o. neighbor who never walked outside of his house knows about it. Eduemoni↑talk↓  18:56, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I find your comment comparing these diabetes characters to a street dog is highly offensive and insensitive to anyone who is unfortunate enough to have this disease. Diabetesmomma (talk) 23:26, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Hey, Eduemon. It sounds to me like you need to stop hanging around with 3 year old neighbors and get out a little more.
 * I believe there is a big difference between 'notability' and 'credibility'. In the diabetic community Captain Glucose and Meter Boy are respected and credible advocates of children understanding and learning how to manage their diabetes.  Is teaching our children more 'notable' or credible cause?  Is instilling in young children the belief that they too can be a Diabetic Super Hero a more 'notable' or credible objective?  As a mother I wish there were more individuals like Captain Glucose and Meter Boy.  By the way, when it comes to credibility, didn't Wikipedia once let someone edit the Albert Einstein page and put in that Einstein invented oxygen?  Now that's "notable."


 * Keep. I did a Google search, and although most of the hits seemed generally iffy per WP:RS, I did get the impression that many of them are reliable in terms of verifying the existence and characteristics of "Captain Glucose" and "Meter Boy", and that enough of them are independent of the subject (not owned/operated by the people who created the characters, not specifically trying to sell products including the characters, etc.) that we probably do have notability here.  More work would be required to pin this down, but I would hesitate to give this article the hook too quickly.   Rich wales (talk · contribs) 05:10, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
 * For WP:RS, might I note that Google Archives tells me that an article on them ran in the L.A. Daily News, the Detroit Free Press, and the Beaumont Enterprise in 2005? That should go a good way to establishing notability. --Nat Gertler (talk) 20:54, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
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