Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Dice Tower (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to Tom Vasel. (non-admin closure) w umbolo   ^^^  14:18, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

The Dice Tower
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This does not appear to be a notable podcast. The only sources are the subject's own website, a blog, and a youtube channel. My own searches turned up an unrelated RPG convention, and the physical act of stacking dice on top of one another, but nothing relevant. Reyk YO! 13:05, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Games-related deletion discussions.  —AE  ( talk  •  contributions ) 13:12, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Internet-related deletion discussions.  —AE  ( talk  •  contributions ) 13:12, 17 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep It's easy to find more coverage such as this: "The Dice Tower, an influential collection of video and audio shows dedicated exclusively to tabletop games ... The Dice Tower logo ... adorns the cover of many game boxes — including those found at big-box retail establishments like Target and Walmart." Andrew D. (talk) 13:52, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete A standard BEFORE (newspapers.com, Google News, Google Books, JSTOR) fails to unearth new sources. Existing sources both in article and AfD are insufficient. Fails GNG. Chetsford (talk) 14:05, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Merge to Tom Vasel. Cannot find coverage of the podcast in sources; the name is dropped to often explain who Vasel is, demonstrating Vasal's notability but not the podcast. Reasonable to discuss the podcast in his article and leave a redirect behind. --M asem (t) 15:13, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
 * This seems like it also might be a candidate for deletion. Though well sourced, the sources are principally fleeting mentions or not independent, with the exception of a short Wired article about a GoFundMe campaign to raise money for his medical expenses. Chetsford (talk) 15:35, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Seems like we might have stumbled on a bit of a walled garden of crufty rpg articles. These should be further scrutinised. Reyk YO! 17:00, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
 * The gaming genre is board games, not RPG. Board games are quite big now and Vasel and his podcast are recognised as influential pundits for this genre.  For example, see Washington Post. Andrew D. (talk) 08:40, 18 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Merge per Andrew. That source is all about Vasel, not Dice Tower, and "NOTINHERITED" is not an abbreviation of "NOTability is INHERITED". Hijiri 88 ( 聖やや ) 09:11, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
 * BTW (since I know this has come up on RSN and ANI multiple times in recent months): I consider myself a lapsed gamer, primarily because of developing different hobbies that took up most of my time, but I still enjoy gaming from time to time and I'm a loyal fan of TFS at the Table, so no one can claim I'm an outsider "attacking" tabletop gaming with this !vote. It should, however, probably be noted that Andrew has never apparently indicated an interest in RPGs or the like, until they started showing up recently on AFD; so this definitely isn't a case of "non-gamers want these articles deleted, and only 'real' gamers 'get' these articles and their sources". Hijiri 88 ( 聖やや ) 09:18, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 13:58, 24 September 2018 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * I'll try to come back to this when there is time. But yeah, this is probably the single most important podcast in boardgaming.  That said, we need reliable independent sources.  I'll look later for some. Hobit (talk) 16:50, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Hobit, with the relist you've got another week to look into it. 73.168.15.161 (talk) 12:28, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sam Sailor 00:38, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
 * merge I guess. IMO it's notable, but given that it's (mostly?) a one-man show, all the sources I can find are really about Tom.  If someone can find anything that really talks about the history of the podcast and not mostly about Tom, ping me.  Hobit (talk) 13:51, 2 October 2018 (UTC)


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