Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Diplomats


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was keep. howcheng  [ t &#149; c &#149; w &#149;  e  ] 23:01, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

The Diplomats
Self-inflating description makes me doubt notability. Self-distributing. My current opinion is delete unless someone can verify notability. --Nlu (talk) 06:49, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

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 * Keep. An allmusic.com entry attests to their notability. I've actually heard of Cam'ron before, and I know little about the current rap scene.  We can edit out the tone. Gamaliel 07:03, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. . PJM 07:30, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Cam'ron is a notable hip-hop artist, thus this meets WP:MUSIC. Cnwb 08:26, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Three albums all distributed by significant record labels in RocaFeller and Koch Records. Three albums all making the American album charts see . Two notable members in Cam'ron and Juelz Santana. They meet at least three criteria of WP:NMG. Capitalistroadster 08:42, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep If they've signed wirh Rock-A-Fella, then they meet WP:MUSIC --Bachrach44 18:02, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Very important iand influnetial group.See they're AMG entry:http://snipurl.com/kmd0.Whosdablacksheep 23:13, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Influential not only in hip-hop culture but recent popular culture in general. A rather strange nomination, in my opinion. Sleepypanda
 * Keep: It's useless to delete this article, it's just that we need a professional about them, this article can reach great lengths. I Am Ri¢h! My Rich Contributions/My Wealthy Talk
 * Strong Keep. Notable and verifiable band, meets WP:MUSIC. I'm not a fan of theirs, but that puts me in a minority of people I know: they are immensly popular. Users should thoroughly check notablility criteria before listing articles for deletion, so as not to waste everyone's time. This is only one of many articles on very well-known hip-hop acts that have been listed for deletion by users who apparently don't know any better. --FuriousFreddy 13:29, 9 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Keep: The Diplomats are very well known in the rap community and have started many trends. For example men wearing pink was started by Cam'Ron Rtblaze 16:19, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

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The Diplomats, while not as popular as say, G-Unit, do in fact have a dedicated following, almost along the lines of Wu-Tang Clan. Cam'ron has been mentioned as a top-notch rap artist since 1997/1998. The overall tone of the article may need editing, but the entry does not warrant deletion. I heard about the question of deleting this on Okayplayer... it reflects very badly on Wikipedia that there would be a question about deleting one of the most popular crews in hip hop at this moment, as it makes it seem like Wikipedia is out of touch with anything black. I know it's not Wikipedia's fault, but it just looks bad, you know? KEEP: Cam has had a very accomplished solo career and the Dips are responsible for a lot of trends you're starting to see in the rap game now. They may not sell as well as other crews, but niether did Gangstarr, and no one would question their influence. KEEP: maybe take out a bit of the slang, but this is an article about a legitimate group
 * KeepCollectively, Cam'Ron, Jim Jones and Juelz Santana, the three main members of the Diplomats have sold millions of albums. Juelz album is currently #9 on the Billboard charts, having sold 179,000 copies in its first week. This should absolutely not be deleted.
 * Keep. Dipset are very well known with young urban visitors to the site. Removing such a page would be losing touch with a key segment of society.


 * haha this line: "G-Unit, do in fact have a dedicated following, almost along the lines of Wu-Tang Clan" is the line of someone who knows nothing at all about hip hop, as such it is hilarious.

KEEP: They have been featured in numerous mainstream magazines. If you search google for "Diplomats" most of the links on the first page refer to this hip hop group rather than to the original meaning of the word "diplomat" which should say something of the groups popularity. I would suggest that whoever recommended this article for deletion do two simple google searches: one of "diplomats" and a second search of "dipset". Hopefully, this will remove any doubt as to the group's signifcance.

The guy must not have researched before nominating this.

KEEP: The Diplomats are legitmate and notable. I was absolutely shocked when I saw that this was being considered for deletion. Members of the group have appeared as the musical guests on the Tonight Show and the members have sold millions of albums.

Keep: This group is very well know. (personal attack removed)


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