Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Dismissal (musical)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was draftified‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 11:46, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

The Dismissal (musical)

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Musical that never was performed due to Covid. Fails WP:SIGCOV. 4meter4 (talk) 20:23, 2 May 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Natg 19 (talk) 01:24, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Theatre and Australia.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 20:33, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:TOOSOON. After this musical (which has non-notable creators) has had a long-running production, or a production at a major venue, it can be added. -- Ssilvers (talk) 20:54, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep or Draftify until premiere. I don't think being cancelled necessarily fails the general notability guideline. Aside from the already cited articles, there are also a number of published articles (1, 2) about the play. For the amount of expectation the subject received, it seems pretty notable. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 21:09, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Draftify, this would enable the article to be reconsidered once more coverage of the play is published in reliable independent sources. Dan arndt (talk) 07:47, 10 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep: notability has been demonstrated. The links identified by Tutwakhamoe demonstrate SIGCOV.
 * Play is therefore presumed notable. Onus is on deletion advocates to rebut that presumption.
 * It appears play may never be performed. WP:TOOSOON does not apply. Jack4576 (talk) 14:32, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Keep as is or draftify? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 08:50, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Draftify: In this case, six months will provide a more definitive answer to notability. Close should note that it should be moved to mainspace through AfC.  // Timothy :: talk  06:20, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Comment. I would just like to point out that this musical has never been published, recorded, or staged, and that the articles covering the musical presented above are entirely based on interviews with the work's creators because as of yet there is no way for anyone to view, listen to, or read the work in question and form an independent original evaluation. For this reason, the coverage to my mind lacks sufficient independence from the subject to pass WP:GNG. Further, it is possible that the work may never be performed, recorded, or published. Planned theatrical events do get cancelled (this one was once already). This really is a case of WP:TOOSOON.4meter4 (talk) 12:01, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Draftify - it took me all of 5 seconds to find that it is being performed in August 2023, so the claims "it may never be performed" are nonsense. Draftification is entirely appropriate in that circumstance. Deus et lex (talk) 10:42, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @ It's not nonsense. It had a planned opening before in 2020 and Covid-19 scuttled that production. As the pandemic has demonstrated, real world events do cancel events last minute; sometimes permanently (several concert tours, Broadway productions, films, etc. were canceled and not replanned). We can't predict what will happen between now and August (war, disease, natural disaster, etc). This is why it's best to wait to create articles on live performance works/ events until after the premiere. Draftify is a reasonable option in this case.4meter4 (talk) 11:57, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @ - that was 2020 with Covid, it's now 2023 and the play is taking place in Australia. It is being advertised. Deus et lex (talk) 19:53, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @ Yes I recognize that. You are missing my point, which is that we can't assume planned future events will occur. WP:Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. Regardless, we are both in agreement that draftify is a good alternative per WP:ATD. 4meter4 (talk) 19:57, 29 May 2023 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.