Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Dream Match


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep.  (Non-admin closure) ApprenticeFan (talk) 10:32, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

The Dream Match

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This was a boxing match this past night that has no real lasting value. While it involved notable fighters, it in and of itself was rather unremarkable: it was not even for a title.

Keeping a boxing match like this would be like keeping an article for the 2007 Indianapolis-New England regular season NFL game - yeah the teams were good but the game had no lasting value. --CastAStone//₵₳$↑₳₴₮ʘ№€ 05:46, 7 December 2008 (UTC)


 * WITHDRAWN due to clear consensus. I think its a good idea for someone to use this AfD as a start to a general notability consensus for Boxing Matches.--CastAStone//₵₳$↑₳₴₮ʘ№€ 19:30, 8 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions.   -- Raven1977 (talk) 05:48, 7 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep I vote for it to NOT BE DELETED, since the fight has its own name 'The Dream Match' and gathered the second biggest revenue in history, it has the right to remain in the Wikipedia. It's like a boring Super Bowl, it has the right to be remembered for what it was, not for how interesting it was.--Gussisaurio (talk) 06:39, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete It was given a name by its promoters just like every other fight of the last 5 years. The revenue stuff is speculation. It was nothing like a super bowl; it wasn't for a championship.--CastAStone//₵₳$↑₳₴₮ʘ№€ 06:48, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Just another boxing match, and no real indication that this one was any more special than most. Resolute 06:58, 7 December 2008 (UTC)


 * For what its worth, we should use the title and expand the article's scope, i.e. instead of just covering one fight, this should be covering the entire card à la The Rumble in the Jungle. The event in its entirety has gathered enough media coverage to both suply references and assert notability. -  Ca ri bb e a  n ~ H. Q.  07:40, 7 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep It is a boxing match, which is notable event. ApprenticeFan (talk) 09:27, 7 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep This match is between two prolific athletes, both already in the peak of their careers, hence the notability. Akira Tomosuke (talk) 10:42, 7 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete. I just don't get it. However, perhaps if the article were better constructed and organised I might. I wouldn't consider every single individual sports event as notable. In fact if that were the case it would take away from the real notable events, thus lowering their value. --➨ Candlewicke :) Sign/Talk 10:56, 7 December 2008 (UTC)


 * 'Keep For crying out loud, you can keep all the Superbowl articles, this one is actually an important event in boxing history, and also for the Philippines. The article needs to exist so the reference can be kept for 90+ million Filipinos and millions of Mexicans as well. Revenue stuff is not just speculation, please check the news reports. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.95.205.149 (talk) 11:28, 7 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep, the demise of De La Hoya is quite important outside his (or Manny's) bio. It may not last in memories as long as The Rumble in the Jungle or Barrera versus Morales trilogy, but we cannot assert it right now, so if in doubt - keep. NVO (talk) 13:47, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Philippines-related deletion discussions.   —Bluemask (talk) 14:50, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Big Keep. Second largest gate revenue in boxing history. TheCoffee (talk) 16:21, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep per TheCoffee, but needs major cleanup. – Howard  the   Duck  17:01, 7 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep, this match is already history. it will probably mark the end of de la hoya's career. it also shows the continued rise of the mexicutioner manny pacquiao. he was the underdog in this match. boxing experts said he had no chance against de la hoya, but he completely annihilated him and proved them wrong. the dream match is also significant for filipinos. pacquiao represents all of the filipinos. keep this article! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.151.57.10 (talk) 21:24, 7 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep, part of boxing history. - AnakngAraw (talk) 21:29, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Citing Wikinews article: Boxing: Pacquiao stuns De La Hoya with eighth round TKO - AnakngAraw (talk) 19:24, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Also citing Wikipedia's Portal:Current events/2008 December 6 - AnakngAraw (talk) 19:28, 8 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep, its oscar de la hoyas last fight and they are 2 boxers who will go down as legends. big fights all have their own page and this one has a guy fighting 2 divisions higher than he has done before and beating the biggest name in boxing right now. its a modern day david v golliath —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nirvana-rock89 (talk • contribs) 00:21, 8 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep, As pathetic as the article is written, It is by far the most anticipated boxing match of the year, thus it should stay. Rvk41 (talk) 00:24, 8 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep — While boxing matches are not inherently notable, this, being one of the most hyped fights this decade, is. There are plenty of reliable sources that can easily establish notability of this fight. MuZemike  ( talk ) 02:35, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep - However, it does need major cleanup like moving the title to "Pacquiao versus de la Hoya 2008" and editing sections to avoid peacock and weasel terms. Starczamora (talk) 03:31, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep - This is nice to have. This would be the end of Oscar de la Hoya so that is why it can be important. 71.237.70.49 (talk) 03:51, 8 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep' - While it could use some cleanup, it must be kept. 2nd biggest revenue in boxing history? The most anticipated fight of the year? The possible end of De La Hoya's career? The millions of Fillippinos and Mexicans who stood my their fellow countrymen? I think I've made my point. It may have ben a mismatch, but but it was "David vs Goliath" here, Pacquiao defied the odds, and proved all the skeptics wrong. He overcame, if you will. It's an event that will live on in boxing history forever. There you have it. Keep it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.246.149.252 (talk) 09:13, 8 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep - Clearly a notable fight between two highly notable boxers. But as suggested by others, it should be moved to "Pacquiao versus de la Hoya 2008" or similar, and cleaned-up. "The Dream Match" is a highly uninformative title, and will only be applicable until the next "dream match". MinisterForBadTimes (talk) 11:00, 8 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Strong Keep - One of the most notable fights this years, probably Oscar De La Hoya's last fight. Pacquiao is no small time boxer. Also, this was one of the biggest Boxing gates ever. So keep, although it definitely needs to be improved, the title needs to be changed etc. as mentioned above. Correctus (talk) 12:02, 8 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment - I've added already the per-round details so it has some semblance of what it is. I agree with others that the thread title needs to be changed. And for those who voted keep (especially the newbies), you can help more if you'd clean up the article too. – Howard  the   Duck  12:19, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I moved this to De La Hoya-Pacquiao boxing match. Just a heads up. – Howard  the   Duck  12:22, 8 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Further comment on notability. Currently all major WWE PPVs have their own articles. Even a football referee has his own. Heck even 2007 Appalachian State vs. Michigan football game -- a non-championship match, like this one, has one. We'd have to put this into perspective, especially this was especially notable to three countries, unlike in the case of the footy ref or the NCAA football game which are notable (barely on the referee's case) in their respective countries. So if that Irish ref has an article, I can't even comprehend why this is on AFD, and move this discussion to be closed ASAP, especially with overwhelming keeps. – Howard  the   Duck  12:37, 8 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment for moving It could be move to Pacquiao-De La Hoya boxing match per using request move for the agreement to moving the new article title. ApprenticeFan (talk) 15:10, 8 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep especially now that it has been moved to a more encyclopedic name and it seems to have been much improved since it was first proposed for deletion. It seems a notable event at the conjunction of two notable careers with the added notability that it was a matter of Philippine national pride (not something you'd get from a staged WWE match, which, as noted above, seem nonetheless to pass other people's idea of notability) KevinCuddeback (talk) 15:37, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep, Kevin Iole of Yahoo! Sports said in the fight that Manny Pacquiao battered Oscar De La Hoya "into retirement." The Associated Press also had a headline regarding the fight, "De La Hoya beaten into retirement?" (via the Winnipeg Sun and called De La Hoya the "biggest box office attraction in the sport." Chris Mannix of Sports Illustrated wrote "The end has come for De La Hoya" and "So this is it. This is how it ends for Oscar De La Hoya." and "He has to retire." And the fight had the second largest gate revenue in boxing history, as has been noted by others. --Pixelface (talk) 17:35, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep, This is an important match. See Pixelface's comments above. Could use some cleanup. Calebrw (talk) 19:08, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Withdrawn due to clear consensus. I think its a good idea for someone to use this AfD as a start to a general notability consensus for Boxing Matches.--CastAStone//₵₳$↑₳₴₮ʘ№€ 19:28, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. This match WILL have a lasting impact. Hachiko (talk) 10:18, 9 December 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.