Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Durham Revue


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. COnsensus is that this club is not sufficiently notable TravellingCari  02:13, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

The Durham Revue

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Non-notable club. The sole contributor is User:Durhamrevue, so obvious conflict of interest is present as well. CyberGhostface (talk) 18:55, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

The club is a performing company rather than a club (reg ltd). It is the third largest Revue company in the UK. Articles pertaining to its peers; the Oxford Revue and Cambridge Footlights (with whom the Durham Revue perform many of their shows) exist on Wikipedia. The company performed to 15,000 people 2007/2008 - therefore noteable. The article is created by the Durham Revue but does not contain unsubstantiated bias, please note citation of references on any statement of attainment/appraisal. Furthermore, note a series of previous attempts to submit article The Durham Revue on the article history by different users (none of whom are members of, nor associated with the group). Durhamrevue (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 19:31, 15 September 2008 (UTC).
 * For an encyclopedia article about a company, the text lacks even the most basic data (number of employees, revenue, profits, ownership...). As for your defense of the use of Wikipedia as a promotional tool, you might want to read FAQ/Business (especially the section "May I advertise my company or product on Wikipedia?"). Regards, HaeB (talk) 20:05, 17 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete for failing to live up to its own hype. There are quite a few sources, so notability seemes assured... until you look through them and run a couple more searches for this club. Then the whole facade falls over; only a handful of those sources actually mention the revue and (apart from the blog comments) those mentions are only in passing. The credit that the article gives for being a starting-point for writers, comedians, etc, etc, is unfortunately ignored by those people in question, too. One brief comparative look at The Oxford Revue and the Cambridge Footlights demonstrates that this group is not really in the same ballpark, certainly not as far as notable alumni are concerned. The pretty obvious COI does not really help, either. Oh, and also... the Smirnoff Underbelly don't mention the award that it's claimed they won. I was considering a weak delete, but I think I've convinced myself otherwise. OBM | blah blah blah 20:03, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not 100% sure of protocols, but I'm responding to issues within this particular section. The sources cited are websites only, I could include some print sources if that's permissible on the website - in the summer the Durham Revue featured in a number of national newspapers (Scotsman, Guardian, etc.). Admittedly, notoriety of the group is predominantly with students and those who frequent the Edinburgh Fringe Festival (who include details of the Durham Revue's history at the Fringe in their literature), surely this is not too idiosyncratic for inclusion on Wikipeida. Apropos alumni; this isn't the best gauge for importance of a group (The Oxford Revue do not include any alumni from the last 20 years and their age exceeds that of the Durham Revue). The Smirnoff Underbelly Sketch Off award is not currently mentioned on their website, however, it was filmed by BBC Comedy and Youtube UK - both will be posting their videos in the coming weeks. I apologise if this article is unsuitable for inclusion and for wasting any of your time. User:durhamrevue | User talk:durhamrevue 20:25, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
 * No vote yet. The article definitely needs improvement. By this, I mean that even before reading the Cambridge Footlights article, I could name two of their famous alumni. But even after reading The Durham Revue, I still can't name any of their famous alumni. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 03:46, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. The requested improvement has not taken place yet. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 14:13, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. Notability is not established, abuse of Wikipedia as a marketing tool. The conflict of interest of the article creator and his/her disregard for the NPOV policy is evident in the un-encyclopedic peacock terms ("celebrated", "established and renowned", "award winning", ....) which pervade the text and are typical for promotional self-descriptions. Regards, HaeB (talk) 20:05, 17 September 2008 (UTC)


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