Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Five (comics)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. The "delete" side explains why in their view the proposed sources are inadequate, whereas the "keep" side, with a few exceptions, does not discuss the sources.  Sandstein  14:10, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

The Five (comics)

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No real world notability. Does not meet WP:GNG.  Onel 5969  TT me 14:31, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions.  Onel 5969  TT me 14:31, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Comics and animation-related deletion discussions.  Onel 5969  TT me 14:31, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep as a well-developed and well-sourced article with notability evident in a simple google search of the topic. Elms super 02:04, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep Per above.★Trekker (talk) 16:52, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete - Unsure how anyone could call this well-sourced. The non-primary sources range from only mentioning them in relation to the story or just a general coverage of the storyline with near zero commentary on the grouping. That is not significant coverage, and it does not at all meet the standards of WP:WAF, which is the only way not to fail WP:NOTPLOT. All the characters currently have their own articles, so this should at best be a redirect to the first storyline in which they appeared as this particular group. TTN (talk) 18:57, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per above comments, or merge to Dawn of X per WP:ATD and WP:PRESERVE. BOZ (talk) 22:58, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep - Sufficient coverage, per WP:GNG.  Dark knight  2149  22:35, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Really? Can you link that coverage here? I see nothing in the article. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 04:42, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete: No keep voter has explained how this meets WP:NFICT/GNG. It's pure WP:FANCRUFT - plot summary and list of appearances. There is no reception, no discussion of impact or significance. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here  04:41, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Natg 19 (talk) 06:49, 7 November 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: To discuss Heleth's sources. The keep votes are very weak. Assertion carries little weight so, if you see sources, you need to cite them and discuss how they meet GNG to get full weight.
 * Keep: I agree that the article is not as well-developed as it should be, but the team has been discussed quite a bit in the comics press. — Toughpigs (talk) 18:48, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Could you back up this assertion with sources? In-depth, not mention-in-passing googlehits. TIA. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 06:37, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep Needs more development. FudgeFury  ( talk &#124; sign &#124; contribs ) 20:34, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
 * As Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus requested, how is it significant? Well, for starters this is BIG within X-men community. As big as Phoenix force or M-day decimation level big. It changed the entire concept about mutants. Firstly they (mutants) have officially escaped death, which signifies the evolution theme that runs with their kind. Secondly, these five mutants for this reason are extremely important, must be protected at all costs no matter what, to the point they cannot be deployed on any missions. They still work as a team that will feature in many X-men titles going forward and will have their story arcs as well of others be affected by it. So we will need a page dedicated to this team entirely. The five have nothing to do with Krakoa as they can still function as a unit outside Krakoa. FudgeFury  ( talk &#124; sign &#124; contribs ) 20:42, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
 * That's a description of their subjective importance, but what matters is an objective measure of notability from sources detailing the topic from a real world perspective as to meet WP:GNG and WP:NOTPLOT/WP:WAF. TTN (talk) 20:57, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
 * As TTN noted, being big within the X-men fandom is not sufficient. Well, it might be sufficient IF there are sources that say this. If this is just your own view, I am afraid this is not enough. Being important in a foo-verse or within foo-fandom (with no sources to collaborate such claim of importance) is not enough per cited policies like NFICTION and GNG. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 06:36, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete Non-notable article that fails GNG, per TTN. All keep votes so far have been WP:SOURCESEXIST. Where are the reliable sources? So far, nobody has brought them up.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 22:56, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep and improve since other editors have brought up sources, and because the nominator has failed to produce an actual articulate argument as to why the article fails GNG as asserted. No prejudice towards a second AfD if the article does not see any major improvements made by other editors, with time of the essence. Haleth (talk) 00:22, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
 * A few sources I have found: Polygon, Example of commentary on resurrection protocol, another source connecting X-Factor to the Five. Notability is based on the existence of suitable sources, not on the state of sourcing in an article, per WP:NEXIST. Haleth (talk) 07:04, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete - The few non-primary sources that are being used in the article are entirely just plot summaries, and do not provide any actual commentary or explanation of notability. The various Keep votes above (not counting the ones that are nothing more than WP:ITSNOTABLE statements that should be discounted) just state that the article needs development and that there are enough sources, but have failed to actually provide what these sources are that would allow this article to be developed beyond simple WP:PLOT.  A Redirect to Dawn of X, which was mentioned somewhere above, could also be feasible, but there has been no demonstration in this AFD that this fictional group is notable enough for a stand alone article.  Rorshacma (talk) 19:20, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spartaz Humbug! 09:30, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete All the sources seem to be plot summaries. Nothing talks about the comic directly or in-depth though. So, there isn't anything that would make this pass the notability guidelines. --Adamant1 (talk) 13:57, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete reviewing the sources there's nothing to cover that isn't just a plot recap, which is what Wikipedia articles are WP:NOT. As something unsourced or primary sourced it also fails the WP:GNG. Jontesta (talk) 20:33, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete due to a lack of coverage in third party sources. All sources look to be trivial mentions and/or plot summaries, so this doesn't pass WP:PLOT or WP:N. Shooterwalker (talk) 18:17, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete: Article does not meet WP:GNG or WP:FICTION, sources are mainly primary, not secondary WP:IS WP:RS sources with WP:SIGCOV. The rest are either promotional or mentions, nothing that meets SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth. WP:BEFORE showed nothing that would establish notability. Article is WP:OR / WP:SNYTH, nothing properly sourced for a merge.   // Timothy ::  talk  15:23, 19 November 2020 (UTC)


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