Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The French Democracy (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep.  MBisanz  talk 02:38, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

The French Democracy
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Procedural nomination to fix the process started by an anonymous user. I happen to disagree with the nomination, however, and am recommending a keep based on non-trivial coverage of this machinima film by The Washington Post, MTV.com, Wired, and a book published by MIT Press (PDF). — TKD:: Talk  18:01, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * More sources: BusinessWeek, USA Today. — TKD:: Talk  18:31, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete for gods sake, there are many notable machinima, such as War Of The Servers (http://litfusefilms.com/movies/waroftheservers/) that dont have an article. They have appeared on many websites. 80.44.254.152 (talk) 19:07, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * That other notable machinima do not YET have their own articles is no reason to deny access to this one.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 07:05, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
 * If you know of multiple third-party independent reliable sources that non-trivially cover these productions, then they might be notable enough for their own articles. There are certainly gaps in the coverage currently. (Keep in mind, though, that many sites accept video uploads rather freely, so mere presence or listing is not an indicator of independent coverage per se.) But, as JulesH mentioned, we don't judge the merits of an article on the basis of other articles, because Wikipedia is a work in progress, and uneven progress at that. — TKD:: Talk  20:45, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep per nom (!?). Clearly a notable machinima; if others are notable and don't have articles, we should create those articles, rather than using it as a reason to delete this one. JulesH (talk) 19:40, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

KEEP because it is notable, just needs more sources cited? Wilkos (talk) 19:48, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'll see what I can do sometime soon about getting the article to a respectable non-stub state. — TKD:: Talk  20:45, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of France-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 21:18, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 21:18, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Not notable Ijanderson (talk) 22:17, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Wow, you actually think that it's non-notable when there is 6 reliable sources with significant coverage posted above. Schuym1 (talk) 02:44, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep: Passes WP:N. Schuym1 (talk) 23:46, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep - Sources are reliable, and substantial. -- Whpq (talk) 18:09, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - I do not understand how this short-film is notable. It is not found in IMDB. It has won no awards (not even nominated). Perhaps the article could be saved if merged into The Movies article. Esasus (talk) 23:26, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
 * IMDB is not how we measure notability. The machinama meets the general notability guidelines through coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.  The lack of an entry on IMDB is irrelevant. -- Whpq (talk) 23:40, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep IMDB does not confer notability. Plenty of Reliable Sources have. No need to delete as it is now a matter of WP:CLEANUP.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 07:04, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been added to the list of machinima deletions. — TKD:: Talk  07:56, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep The sources provided by the nominator established the notability of the film. --J.Mundo (talk) 02:15, 2 February 2009 (UTC)


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