Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The French and Spanish economy during the Thirty Years' War


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The result was   delete.  Sandstein  16:42, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

The French and Spanish economy during the Thirty Years' War

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This is a huge slab of original research, personal opinions and inaccurate speculations. The whole thing is an essay based on the misconception that the Thirty Years' War was fought between France and Spain. Although other countries (including France and Spain) did send some troops to fight, the Thirty Years' War was a religious conflict within Germany. France and Spain backed opposite sides in the conflict, and treating them as a single economic entity in this context makes no sense. In addition, this essay makes many ludicrous claims (for instance, that Sweden - whose entire population at the time was about that of Paris - was richer than France with her huge population and vast American empire). Although the interventions of France and Spain in Germany did ultimately lead to the Franco-Spanish War, that was a conflict which went on until 1659 so obviously isn't the conflict meant by the author of this article (who repeatedly refers to 1648, the year the Thirty Years' War ended). Likewise, although the economy of the Iberian peninsula collapsed in the 1620s this was a result of Dutch privateering wrecking Portuguese maritime trade, not of the war in Germany.

This is a true orphan article, without a single incoming link and with page view statistics that can be entirely explained away by search engine sweeps, which is probably how it's managed to avoid notice up to now. This article is on a topic that probably isn't legitimate (the very concept of a "Spanish economy" is questionable in a period when Spain was a multi-state empire spread across five continents and including places as diverse as Patagonia, Amsterdam and Macau), and is so full of errors and unsourced speculation that even if it were kept, it would need to be completely blanked and rewritten. Mogism (talk) 02:32, 5 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete as nomination: poorly formulated essay on a a specious topic.TheLongTone (talk) 14:03, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete - economic history of the 30 years war would be notable and worth having in an encyclopaedia. But that's neither the right article to start from nor even on the right page. Neonchameleon (talk) 19:21, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of France-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 22:17, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Spain-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 22:17, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 22:17, 5 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete - not a bad idea for an article, but this would require wholesale re-writing. Bearian (talk) 18:21, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.