Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Fronts of War (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. &mdash; Coffee //  have a cup  //  essay  // 23:13, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

The Fronts of War
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An article about this series has already been deleted as failing WP:CRYSTAL and for having no evidence of its existence. It has now been revealed in Thomas Gardner (Director) that the director (and most other things) of this film is 14 years old. Please also see Articles for deletion/Thomas Gardner (Director) and The Dreamer (2011 Film).
 * Comment I haven't called for a speedy on the grounds of re-creation as the article differs from the previous version. Peridon (talk) 19:44, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete per being WP:TOOSOON... just as I opined at the first AFD some 8 days ago. Notability lacking then did not miraculously appear in one week.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 21:13, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete as essentially the same article that has already been argued for deletion within the last week. I don't believe the age of the director is an issue so much as his notability. - ManicSpider (talk) 22:25, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Ia Drang Smackdown Delete and Salt: Never mind WP:CRYSTAL, this is a WP:HOAX violation. United States Field Marshals?  An Admiral commanding the Army?  Songs "bought" from other movies that somehow by that fact lack copyright protection?  A song unavailable due to "legislation issues with a website?"  World War I veterans serving as lieutenants in Vietnam?  A 14-year-old director?  Wikipedia is not for "movies" made by middle-school students on the videocam they got for Christmas.   Ravenswing  14:41, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Note to closing admin If/when this it deleted (with or without salt...), Clint Mansell will need cleansing (if it hasn't already happened by then). Peridon (talk) 21:21, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, thanks for mentioning that. I already took a reference out of Stop motion, but I feel uncomfortable changing so many edits this person has made. I did a search on the Clint Mansell thing and couldn't find any references. - ManicSpider (talk) 22:26, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
 * It's in Film Trailers and Scoring Credits. I wonder if he knows about it yet... Peridon (talk) 20:43, 20 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 00:19, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Comics and animation-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 00:19, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree with the things said, but you have to give credit to the guy, he's starting off from somewhere and he may not know alot about the army. But the age isn't what is being disscussed so i would apreciate it if we left that out and stayed with the subject of the page.Thanks - Greggy 2764.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Greggy2746 (talk • contribs) 23:41, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
 * The age of the director was put in an article by someone... Yes, he's starting off. When he gets somewhere, he'll be welcome to have an article. Writers, producers and directors have to find out about things - that's how I got into Wikipedia. I was researching and found the best articles on what I wanted to know were here. If you're doing pure fantasy, research isn't as important - but still needed. For something based on a real war, research is essential. Critics will check - like we do here. This is like having your first reaction from the critics. Keep trying - unless you're a Mozart your first efforts won't be much good. Watch as much as you can of established stuff - see where things started off. If you can find 'Creature Comforts', you'll see where Aardman got going. Peridon (talk) 15:58, 23 January 2011 (UTC)


 * I agrre, the dvds will be released soon and Project Rooster will be realesed in 2 days, and The Fronts of War's airdate will not be announced unitl the 1st febuary - Greggy 2746  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Greggy2746 (talk • contribs) 22:14, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't think you're understanding. The release dates aren't important. I'd really recommend you go read WP:NOTFILM, WP:CREATIVE and, most importantly, WP:GNG before you create any further articles otherwise you might find yourself running into the same difficulties repeatedly. - ManicSpider (talk) 22:21, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
 * (Written while the above was being posted...) ::You're still not getting it. 'Keep trying' means keep practising. As my young (15 year old) cousin does with her writing. She's good, but not there yet for finished work going public. Just getting DVDs out means nothing. Getting a book published at lulu means nothing. Anyone can do them. You need to be selling them in quantities - and have proof that we can verify - before you will be considered notable. I have friends who are university trained, one in animation/illustration and one in video work - but I wouldn't consider making an article for either of them yet. If you can't produce references from independent sources - see WP:RS if you haven't yet looked at it - that actually show coverage of your work, you stand no chance of an article here. Peridon (talk) 22:30, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
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