Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Futuristics (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus.  MBisanz  talk 02:24, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

The Futuristics
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Fails WP:MUSICBIO, There are no references, just fake links. -MJH (talk) 00:23, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment Hi MJH, please let me know what links are't working and I will correct them. It is not my intention to provide bad links as there is more than enough references available for this production team.  Thanks.  DerekAC7 03:38, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment It might be grounds for WP:G4 considering the same problem seems to be plaguing this version of the article in that most of the sources don't work or do not mention The Futuristics aside from credits or at all. Furthermore, the article creator this time is the same creator as last time and has an obvious WP:COI based upon the fact that its been approximately 7 months between edits all on the same article. Mkdw talk 01:38, 16 December 2012 (UTC) Change to Keep based upon the recent work.  Mkdw talk 05:48, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment Please understand the only reason it was deleted 7 months ago is because they didn't have any type of interview in a credible magazine.  I now have provided an interview in DAG Magazine and mentioning in Billboard.  Furthermore, it is abundantly clear that Alex Schwartz and Joe Khajedourian, who make up The Futuristics, have written on these songs as I provided links to ASCAP's site with their writing credits.  "I Cry" by Flo Rida is currently the number 6 song on the Billbaord Hot 100 as referenced below.  It would be a diservice to take down this article as it's providing valuable information on a production team that has writing credits on many notable songs as well as currently one of the biggest songs in the country.  Thanks for your help with this.    DerekAC7 03:38, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
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 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Cheers, Ri l ey    00:03, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

 
 * Delete It seems to me that the issue here is whether or not having produced a few singles that have performed well in the charts is enough to squeak past WP:GNG or WP:CREATIVE. This is the AllMusic credits page for the duo. So the question of whether or not they've been involved with those is not the issue here, but rather whether those grant standalone notability. My feel is that they do not. For someone to be a notable producer, I'd want to see a lot more work and third-party mentions than what I'm seeing in Google and even what the author has provided by way of references, which I will note include instances where they were involved in things like engineering rather than production. All in all I think this is a case of WP:TOOSOON, perhaps less than the previous AFD but still not enough. We are left with this as the only substantive claim to standalone notability. I don't think that's enough. § FreeRangeFrog croak 01:37, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
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 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Courcelles 02:41, 30 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete - I would concur with FRF on this; it takes a long time for a producer to become notable, if it all, even if they work with big-name acts. MSJapan (talk) 04:10, 30 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep Is mentioned In the NY Times, and yahoo talks about them as well. The notability is there PortlandOregon97217 (talk) 05:09, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment That's about as far from WP:SIGCOV as you can get. § FreeRangeFrog croak 06:02, 31 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep FreeRangeFrog brings up a good point that it takes a lot for a producer to become notable. However, since notability is such an subjective idea, we need to stick to the guidelines provided by Wiki, which all in fact have been met.
 * Keep - mentions in notable media, songs produced. --BabbaQ (talk) 19:21, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Weak keep. The production duo does appear to be notable and have notable coverage, but there are sourcing issues because of format and non-RS inclusions. I deleted two citations which were other Wikipedia articles. Backtable Speak to meconcerning my deeds. 21:55, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
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