Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Gardens of the American Rose Center


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Juliette Han (talk) 14:17, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

The Gardens of the American Rose Center

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Non-notable location per WP:GEOFEAT and WP:GNG. I can think of very few rose gardens that deserve a Wikipedia page apart from the White House Rose Garden. KidAd (talk) 19:04, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Louisiana-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 10:06, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 10:06, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Biology-related deletion discussions. 17:50, 31 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep: Meets WP:GNG; it was just a poorly written article which needed/needs improvement. This is the headquarters and garden of the American Rose Society (which has been in operation for over 100 years and is still going strong). I have found numerous news articles covering the gardens and the ARS. Today I have been, and will continue, enhancing this article. Note,, that there are numerous Wikipedia articles about rose gardens (see "Category:Rose gardens in the United States"). Normal Op (talk) 17:59, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * In that case, I recant my statement about notable rose gardens. Nevertheless, if the American Rose Society doesn't even have its own page (it redirects to "Rose Show"), then the organization's rose garden is not notable enough for one. KidAd (talk) 18:02, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * The American Rose Society, a 125-year old organization with over 250 chapters across the USA, is definitely notable enough for its own article. (And if there was an article, I'd have been editing it today.) It's illogical to assume lack of notability based on lack of an article in Wikipedia. There are 18 articles which have wikilinks to "American Rose Society", and at least 60 scanned historic files at Wikimedia commons, so I'd say that's another indicator of notability even within Wikipedia. Normal Op (talk) 20:18, 31 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep: I did some cleanup on the article, taking out some of the promotional material (including directions and hours). I added references to two published books:
 * Louisiana Gardens by Mary Fonseca, Pelican Publishing (1999)
 * The Sustainable Rose Garden: A Reader in Rose Culture by Pat Shanley and Marilyn Wellan, Casemate Publishers (2011)
 * These books make it clear that the Gardens of the American Rose Center are respected and notable among garden enthusiasts. If, as the nominator points out, the American Rose Society doesn't have its own article, then maybe somebody should write one. Either way, it doesn't diminish the notability of the subject currently under discussion. — Toughpigs (talk) 18:46, 31 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep The article needs some work even with the improvement, but it's definitely notable. A simple newspaper search brought up thousands of hits, mostly local, but there's definitely enough for an article. SportingFlyer  T · C  19:31, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * MOVE to The American Rose Society --Cornellier (talk) 12:21, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment: After having worked on this article this week, I think The American Rose Society needs its own article, along with keep this article about their gardens. They are two separate topics, even though they are intertwined. The redirect of American Rose Society to Rose show was undoubtedly done because there was some content there. However, the other information about ARS does NOT belong in the article about rose shows. Like I said, ARS needs its own article. In the meantime, I have been putting the content I find in my research into the gardens article as a preliminary to moving it to its own article some day. Normal Op (talk) 16:15, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep Article needs some work but deserves to stay. It has an interesting topic. Also the information about assorted flowers and work of American Rose Society makes it notable. Nika2020 (talk) 11:42, 4 June 2020 (UTC)


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