Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Gifted (Thai TV series)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Michig (talk) 06:15, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

The Gifted (Thai TV series)

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Doesn't appear to meet notability guidelines, mostly unsourced. --  Alex TW 02:09, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. AmericanAir88(talk)  02:18, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Thailand-related deletion discussions. AmericanAir88(talk)  02:18, 20 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment: We really need Thai speaker/readers to help assess this one – it's really hard to appraise the quality of the sources already used in the article without having somebody who reads Thai... In the absence of that, I'm leaning in the direction of "keep", as this one seems to meet WP:TVSHOW pretty easily, and has three sources which would seem to indicate that it's gotten independent coverage as per WP:GNG. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 03:59, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment: I am torn here. Does it really deserve an English Wikipedia article if all that can be found are foreign sources, does it make it notable in that regard? It does seem to meet WP:GNG if I ignore what I just said. Jovanmilic97 (talk) 08:25, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
 * The WP:GNG explicitly states, "Sources do not have to be available online or written in English." See the final sentence under the third main bullet. --Paul_012 (talk) 11:07, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
 * User:Jovanmilic97 The reason such topics deserve English wikipedia articles is the little-known (in the west) fact that English is the lingua franca in Asia. The Far East is incredibly diverse in terms of languages and writing systems, but it has a strong history of cross-cultural TV exchanges which has increased in recent years due to fansubbing. For this particular show, many Chinese fans are also watching it online (see here) despite not knowing a word of Thai. A Chinese person may not speak much English but he/she will be able to read far more English than Thai, and there are far more Thai-speaking fans who are able to write about the show and its cultural context in English than in Chinese. Therefore the translation process is commonly Thai -> English -> Chinese (or another language). (Another reason is that Google Translate fails with almost all Asian languages, if you don't believe me try the th.wiki article in Google Translate. However, it does a pretty good job translating from English to an Asian language. I believe it's because European languages are much more precise and unambiguous.) Timmyshin (talk) 07:16, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep News coverage is good. Here is Google News search results . Note that both sanook.com and SpringNews are recognized as news source by the Google News search earlier, hence should be considered as reliable (Sanook is Thailand's top portal, SpringNews is one of a few news TV channels, Sudsapda is a weekly entertainment magazine by one of Thai top publisher). --Lerdsuwa (talk) 10:43, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:NTV, nationally broadcast TV shows are likely to be notable, and sources provided are enough to show that it is in fact notable. Hzh (talk) 10:51, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
 * [E/C] Comment: Lots of coverage in Thai, including in Kom Chad Luek, Sanook & Spring News. While TV series routinely generate a lot of media coverage, not all of which is original and in-depth, there's some here that's more than rehashings of press releases. This Sudsapda article goes a bit into its production background. Sanook reports it generating the highest ratings so far this year among teen series. --Paul_012 (talk) 11:07, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep, as per Lerdsuwa and Paul 012 – I suspected that this TV series was notable, and they have convinced me with the evidence provided. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 12:22, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep, per Paul 012. English sources are preferred is they are of equal or better quality than sources in other languages – that is our only preference. Of course we have to use sources in other languages to write about phenomena in countries that speak other languages, just like basically any other encyclopedia with the ambition to cover the world has done. /Julle (talk) 00:40, 27 September 2018 (UTC)


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