Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Global Indian Film and TV Honours


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The consensus was for Delete. Okay... while I feel this topic is notable and improvable under a different name, and while a desire for WP:SUBSTANTIAL coverage is not a guideline or policy mandate, I concede that others feel differently and that continued discussion with not reach resolution. As closing as no-consensus is a consideration, I'd be okay if anyone wishes to reverse me and re-close in that manner. But in consideration of my own thoughts on the matter, if anyone wishes this userfied for work outside of mainspace for a possible return under a proper title, just ask. Schmidt,  Michael Q. 06:45, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

The Global Indian Film and TV Honours

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The award is non-notable as we can't establish if third-party sources even consider it notable. All references seen on web are reports of the event. The article claims that it’s a jury award but does not highlight the process of award selection etc. The award is presented by Balaji Telefilms (BT), a production house of TV shows. As per the article itself, people associated with following shows have been given awards so far and these shows are produced by BT: Kasautii Zindagii Kay, Kasamh Se, Kyunki Saas Bhi Kabhi Bahu Thi, Kahaani Ghar Ghar Ki, Pavitra Rishta and Bade Achhe Lagte Hain. From 2004 until August 2015, Star India Pvt. Ltd., which runs the television channel Star Plus, owned from 21 to 26% of shares in Balaji Telefilms.ref As per the article itself, people associated with following shows have been given awards so far and these shows aired on Star Plus: Kasautii Zindagii Kay, Kyunki Saas Bhi Kabhi Bahu Thi, Kaun Banega Crorepati, Baa Bahu Aur Baby, Kahaani Ghar Ghar Ki, Mann Kee Awaaz Pratigya, Yeh Rishta Kya Kehlata Hai, Tere Liye (TV series), Gulaal (TV series), Iss Pyaar Ko Kya Naam Doon? and Saath Nibhaana Saathiya. Apart from television, BT with its subsidiary Balaji Motion Pictures (BMP) also produces Bollywood films and people associated with following films have been given awards so far which are produced by BMP: Once Upon a Time in Mumbaai and The Dirty Picture. These are all conflict of interest incidences and there might be more which I haven't caught up yet. The main contributors of the article who have been accused of socking and/or doing PR-like work on Wikipedia are:, , , and. Having an article on Wikipedia is surely a large advertisement and with least cost and hence it should be deleted. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 10:45, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 10:47, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 10:47, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 10:47, 16 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete unless someone can point to in-depth coverage by reliable sources unaffiliated with the awarders and awardees. —Psychonaut (talk) 11:17, 16 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep Using WP:INDAFD we have results for "Global Indian Film and TV Honours" which gives us English-language coverage such as India TV News, India Today, Mid-Day (1), Mid-Day (2), Hindustan Times (1), Times of India, Hindustan Times (2), The Siasat Daily, and others.  Not being a reader of Indian languages, I have not been able to do searches for Indian-languages coverage, but such is quite reasonable to expect. The wished for WP:SUBSTANTIAL is not a guide or policy mandate, and when having sources which address the topic directly and in more-than-trivial detail, we do have a meeting of WP:GNG.   Schmidt,  Michael Q. 19:30, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Other than "Mid-Day (2)", which also is more like an advertisement of Geetanjali Jewels - a sponsor of one event, rest all are trivial mentiones, like Vidya Balan answering a question by the journalist at the event, Ekta Kapoor, owner of all this, mentioning in her quote that Priyanka Chopra dances very well, or  in Amitabh Bachchan's articles where "he-also-won-this-award" is the last line of the articles. GNG expects "Significant coverage addresses the topic directly and in detail" which  also mentions. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 03:23, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
 * It would seem rather strange to expect that an article about Indian film and TV cannot itself be covered by Indian film or TV. The honors site itself can provide information, and notability is found in how widely it receives coverage. I would hope Indian Wikipedians will come forward to offer the expected WP:NONENG coverage. Thanks.  Schmidt,  Michael Q. 06:46, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
 * According to you, what should receive coverage; the actual award or the event? §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 06:56, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
 * From the content of the list article, I should think both, but with emphasis on the awards events themselves. The place to speak about the awarding organization itself would be at the arguably notable Global Indian Awards with its "Film and TV Honours" being spoken of therein.  Schmidt,  Michael Q. 16:05, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
 * And WP:INDAFD: "Global Indian Awards"
 * I agree with User:Dharmadhyaksha; except for one of the Mid DAY articles, which looks like a thinly veiled Gitanjali advertisement rather than a reliable source, none of the sources you list say anything about the awards other than passing mentions of someone having received one or been present at a ceremony. And I don't understand your objection to the demand for substantial coverage; this is the very first criterion of the general notability guideline which you yourself referenced. —Psychonaut (talk) 08:23, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
 * MQS, how are "Global Indian Awards" and "The Global Indian Film and TV Honours" related? The former was started by some Ary Sarker and honoured Indian diaspora in science and entrepreneurship.ref I see no connection of this with Ekta Kapoor's award ceremony. But good you found it, we need to now exclude many search results as both share same strings in title. §§<i style="color:#E0115F;">Dharmadhyaksha</i>§§ {Talk / Edits} 16:28, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Narrowing:
 * Using, and in using WP:INDAFD, it appears to me that someone did not follow naming conventions when creating the article title. The topic of "Global Indian Film Awards" is not unsourcable. A proper article needs to be created, expanded, and properly sourced and this improperly titled article simply merged within it.  Schmidt,  Michael Q. 18:35, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Now how are Global Indian Film Awards related with this? Those are/were produced by some Dubai based "Global Events" along with "Popcorn Entertainment" of Sunil Shetty. Still no connection with Ekta Kapoor's trophy looting event. And, before you propose that they are related to Global Indian Music Academy Awards please note that they are not! §§<i style="color:#E0115F;">Dharmadhyaksha</i>§§ {Talk / Edits} 04:37, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
 * The common mis-spelling from newer Indian editors have the words "honours" and "awards" often used interchangeably.  Schmidt,  Michael Q. 06:43, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
 * The common mis-spelling from newer Indian editors have the words "honours" and "awards" often used interchangeably.  Schmidt,  Michael Q. 06:43, 23 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete A non notable award function. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 05:57, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep Coverage demonstrated to meet WP:GNG. AusLondonder (talk) 08:57, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Can you give links of these significant coverage that address the topic directly and in detail as required by GNG? We have various awards like Global Indian Awards and Global Indian Film Awards which share same names. So generic sentences like yours with "LOTSOFGHITS" isn't really helping establish notability. §§<i style="color:#E0115F;">Dharmadhyaksha</i>§§ {Talk / Edits} 09:33, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Fine to ask, but as nice as the GNG is, it is NOT the only means by which a topic might be found notable. Indeed, WP:N tells us "If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple [less than in depth] independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability", thus that when in-depth coverage is lacking, a number of less-than-in-depth sources can show notability.  Schmidt,  Michael Q. 08:46, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 02:34, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Firstly, whatever you are quoting in green is nowhere on Notability, unless it was removed after you posted and while I looked for it. And even if they wrote such, we are not able to find anything in any number of sources that demonstrate notability. All you find is she wore red, he danced on this song, the producer is going oh-wow, the winner is in cloud nine and all; (Actually you aren't even finding all these in any independent RS.) leave alone any criticism (positive or negative) about the award. §§<i style="color:#E0115F;">Dharmadhyaksha</i>§§ {Talk / Edits} 04:09, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
 * It's in a stricter notability criteria about BLP's at WP:BASIC. I'm sorry you missed it. And that you personally find nothing does not mean others have that same issue. Cheers.  Schmidt,  Michael Q. 06:39, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, the notability criterion you quoted comes from guidelines specific to biographies. Why, then, are you quoting it in support of a discussion about an award ceremony? —Psychonaut (talk) 07:31, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I bring it forward because Wikipedia is far more serious about BLPs, not less.... and a guide suitable for a more serious situation can certainly be applied to one that is less so. And too, the giving of awards to living persons IS a BLP issue.  Schmidt,  Michael Q. 23:25, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, but those arguments are simply ridiculous. I think you're grasping at straws here. —Psychonaut (talk) 07:02, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
 * No straw grasping, thank you... just an understanding of guideline, thanks. However, what is "ridiculous" is to say it is ridiculous to apply a BLP guideline toward a BLP situation.  Schmidt,  Michael Q. 15:56, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
 * But neither are you showing us anything worthy over here or by editing the article. Firstly you had your WP:ORs by linking them with other awards and luckily we were able to negate those all, or else we would have ended up stating all wrong information on the article. Given that, I am going to be damn strict about WP:V and WP:RS, and expect that from every well-meaning editor. And then you are back to making generic statements of how its notable and blah blah still without showing any sources. §§<i style="color:#E0115F;">Dharmadhyaksha</i>§§ {Talk / Edits} 07:39, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 00:30, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete None of the sources provided establish the notability of the award. Just a brief mention does not constitute notability. Any of the above "Keep" arguments does not talk/argue about the notability in itself, forget about the article. Also, as mentioned by the nominator, the connections between organizer and award winning soaps/films makes these as made-up events. - <span style="color:#808080;font-size:15px;font-family:'Georgia, serif';font-style: italic;font-weight: bold;">Vivvt ( Talk ) 04:53, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete - nothing shown here, nor could be found on searches to show the award meets notability criteria.  Onel 5969  <i style="color:blue">TT me</i> 21:58, 10 December 2015 (UTC)


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