Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Good Witch's Charm


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to The Good Witch (franchise). czar 06:09, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

The Good Witch's Charm

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Non-notable television film, does not have significant coverage to meet WP:GNG and WP:NF BOVINEBOY 2008 11:46, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 12:35, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 12:35, 14 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep .Review at Common Sense Media [], plus coverage at Broadway World [] and Good Housekeeping [] seem enough for WP:GNG. Also, film is a part of a series of films that all have articles on Wikipedia, why single one out? Seems like all or none should have been nominated. Donaldd23 (talk) 12:56, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Changing vote to merge to newly created franchise page. Donaldd23 (talk) 02:05, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't think the Good House Keeping source really speaks to the notability of this film. The article simply gives a brief synopsis of each film and then ranks them based on the opinion of the writer. There's no actual coverage of the film in the article. One trade article about casting and one online review I'm not confident really is considered significant coverage. BOVINEBOY 2008 13:18, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. Common Sense Media is not a reliable source for establishing the notability of films; it's an advocacy organization, not a media outlet with established and notable and recognized film critics writing for it. Good Housekeeping source is just a blurb, not substantive coverage — while it would be fine as a source in The Good Witch itself, it doesn't singlehandedly clinch the standalone notability of all of its sequels just because it mentions their names. And the Broadway World source is written very much like a press release, rather than independent analysis, so it's not adding much either. We're not just looking for verification that the film exists — we're looking for verification that it has a credible notability claim, such as actual critical reviews from genuine film or television critics in real media and/or evidence that it won or was nominated for major film or television awards. Bearcat (talk) 15:32, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Bearcat, you are incorrect. Common Sense Media is indeed a reliable source for notability. See Reliable sources/Perennial sources.  To quote the discussion that established that, "There is consensus that Common Sense Media is generally reliable for entertainment reviews. As an advocacy organization, Common Sense Media is biased or opinionated, and its statements should generally be attributed." Please familiarize yourself with the sources listed on that page. Thanks. Donaldd23 (talk) 15:42, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
 * There's a big difference between "acceptable as a source of entertainment reviews amid a solid mix of GNG-worthy sources" and "instant maker of a GNG pass all by itself if it's an article's only non-primary source". Even if Common Sense Media is accepted as the former (although note that it comes with caveats), it is unequivocally not the latter. For example, even if we accept it, both WP:FILM and WP:TVSHOW still require more than just one critical review. Bearcat (talk) 15:46, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm not saying CSM is enough on its own, I was simply pointing out that your assessment of CSM as not being a reliable source was incorrect, as your opinion on the reliability of a source does not override the combined opinions of multiple Wikipedia editors over several discussions about CSM. With that said, yes, other sources are needed to make this article pass WP:NFILM, but CSM is definitely one source that counts toward it. Donaldd23 (talk) 16:21, 14 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment Wouldn't it be better to create a combo article on the films at Good Witch (film series) than delete all of these, since it leads into an N-met long-term television series?  Nate  • ( chatter ) 16:02, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I think that if the consensus winds up being delete, rather than losing the information, a combined article on the film series would be a viable alternative. Donaldd23 (talk) 20:05, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge this and other films into an overall combo/list article on the film series - maybe even a page that covers the series as a whole. At 6-7 movies, there are going to be some that are notable, some that aren't, and some that are borderline. It makes sense to have an article that covers them all, as well as perhaps covers the TV series as well. That would be a good landing page for any of the non-notable or borderline films, plus TBH it's something that should exist as a whole. I've started a draft at User:ReaderofthePack/The Good Witch (franchise) if anyone can help with this. ReaderofthePack (formerly Tokyogirl79)  (｡◕‿◕｡)  12:38, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
 * This page now exists at The Good Witch (franchise). ReaderofthePack (formerly Tokyogirl79)  (｡◕‿◕｡)  15:44, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
 * BTW, feel free to rename the article as is appropriate - I wasn't sure if the films and TV show would make up a franchise or not, but didn't know what else to call it. ReaderofthePack (formerly Tokyogirl79)  (｡◕‿◕｡)  17:28, 15 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Redirect to the franchise page detailed above where content has been merged, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 00:50, 16 June 2021 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.