Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Goodnight Kiwi Stories


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. A discussion about a possible rename can occur on the article talk page. Liz Read! Talk! 23:40, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

The Goodnight Kiwi Stories

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Searches find only one secondary, in-depth coverage source (ref #1). Only other sources found are IMDb or primary. Unnotable. Edward-Woodrow :) [ talk ] 12:29, 16 September 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:17, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I've just expanded the article and count seven (secondary) sources other than IMDB. — Panamitsu (talk) Please ping on reply 13:30, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Television and New Zealand. Shellwood (talk) 12:48, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per expansion by Panamitsu.- gadfium 18:46, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep; additional reliable secondary sources have been added showing that the subject meets WP:GNG. Chocmilk03 (talk) 00:37, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge to Goodnight Kiwi. I believe the editors above may be mistaken, they are mostly covering the parent subject Goodnight Kiwi and not specifically this subject Goodnight Kiwi Stories. - Indefensible (talk) 05:09, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
 * The Goodnight Kiwi animation is the inspiration for the "stories" series, but they are definitely different things. I can see how you might think otherwise, as the latter seems to get called "Goodnight Kiwi" as well in a number of the sources and is sometimes termed a reboot/revitalisation of the Goodnight Kiwi. But it has enough coverage in secondary sources to, to my mind, justify its own article. Cheers, Chocmilk03 (talk) 09:06, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Are the refs in the article for Goodnight Kiwi or Goodnight Kiwi Stories? Very few of them seem to mention "Goodnight Kiwi Stories," I am not really sure which are relevant since I am unfamiliar with the subject. Might be helpful to have a table. But if the articles do not specifically name the subject, is there really enough delineation for a separate article? Even if they are for Goodnight Kiwi Stories, I still doubt there is enough standalone notability. - Indefensible (talk) 17:11, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Keep and rename to Goodnight Kiwi (TV series) per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. The article should be renamed because sources call it Goodnight Kiwi, not The Goodnight Kiwi Stories.  The review notes: "It might seem a bit weird to watch someone reading a book through the television, but Goodnight Kiwi makes the stories burst into life. Colourful animations make the illustrations move and dance, and the celebrities breathe energy and rhythm into each story. Like any good book, Goodnight Kiwi transports you to another world for a few precious minutes, a sweet reprieve from the real world to appeal to frazzled adults and tired children alike."   The article notes: "... the Goodnight Kiwi is back. Having undergone a bit of a “glow-up”, our animated kiwi and his cat friend are on TVNZ OnDemand in a new series of short bedtime stories. The two icons are joined by some other slightly less famous Kiwis, like Jeremy Wells, Hilary Barry, the Topp Twins, Stacey Morrison and Oscar Kightley, as they read popular bedtime story books, with illustrations that come to life on screen. The first two episodes feature What Now’s Evander Brown reading The Bomb and Madeleine Sami and Jackie van Beek teaming up to read Baa Baa Smart Sheep. The latter duo are especially good at reading a bedtime story. So much so, that if the whole TV and film career ever falls over for them, they’d have a good back-up gig telling stories about smart sheep and quirky turkeys. Having these celebs reading New Zealand picture books is certainly a very cute way of bringing the Goodnight Kiwi back to our screens, but I have a really wild idea: why not bring him back for his original mission — marking the end of the TV transmission for the night?"   The article notes: "Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern will read the Christmas Day story in TVNZ's revamped Goodnight Kiwi series. Ardern will read classic New Zealand children's book Hairy Maclary From Donaldson's Dairy by Lynley Dodd. ... TVNZ resurrected the Goodnight Kiwi brand last month, 25 years after Kiwi and his mate Cat last shut off the lights and put out the milk bottle to indicate TV2 was shutting down for the day."   The article notes: "These story sessions are in celebration of TVNZ and The Warehouse bringing back the cultural icon Goodnight Kiwi this week, with famous New Zealand celebrities reading aloud New Zealand bedtime stories. General manager of marketing Anna Lawrence says The Warehouse is thrilled to get behind the cause and help inspire a love of reading among young Kiwis."  <li> The article notes: "Fair to say I just about hit the roof when I heard they were bringing back the Goodnight Kiwi. “TV doesn’t just end like it did back in the olden days,” I spat furiously, “this makes no sense!” Once I calmed down and actually read the press release it did actually make sense — in fact it sounded like a bloody good idea. The Goodnight Kiwi and his wee cat have picked out some classic Kiwi bedtime stories and wrangled some classic Kiwi talent to read them to us, and got some local artists to do animations for them so our eyes don’t get bored." </li> <li> The article notes: "The iconic Goodnight Kiwi is returning to New Zealand screens next month with a plethora of local celebrities bringing the cultural icon back to life. The famed Kiwi was put to bed for the last time some 25 years ago with the arrival of 24-hour TV. But he will be resurrected with a new TVNZ OnDemand series that will see the animated bird and his cat cuddling up to celebrities who will read popular bedtime story books for young children. Kiwi and Cat's new friends include legendary entertainers the Topp Twins, Seven Sharp's Hilary Barry and Jeremy Wells, The Hits' Stacey Morrison, comedians Madeleine Sami, Jackie Van Beek, Urzila Carlson and Oscar Kightley, actors Dean O'Gorman and Jayden Daniels and What Now presenter Evander Brown." </li> </ol>There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Goodnight Kiwi to pass Notability, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Cunard (talk) 10:50, 24 September 2023 (UTC) </li></ul>
 * That's quite interesting because when they say 'Goodnight Kiwi' they're referring to the character rather than the character (but these sources are about the series). Looking at the series on TVNZ+, they refer the series as both Goodnight Kiwi and The Goodnight Kiwi Stories, but primarily just "Goodnight Kiwi". I saw in one source they wrote Goodnight Kiwi stories (italicising Goodnight Kiwi and not the stories). So it does appear that the series is just called "Goodnight Kiwi", so I support the rename. It should be further noted that Goodnight Kiwi is a sign off animation rather than a TV series so the articles should be kept seperate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Panamitsu (talk • contribs) 00:25, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Struck my vote above. But are the refs for Goodnight Kiwi or Goodnight Kiwi Stories though? If they are for Goodnight Kiwi then it should be a merge still. - Indefensible (talk) 17:17, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
 * @Indefensible: Goodnight Kiwi was an animation with music but no spoken words that was aired from 1975 to 1994 and again from 2007 to 2011. Any sources from 2019 to the present day talking about a television show called Goodnight Kiwi which features children's stories, are sources talking about the "stories" TV show.
 * I agree with @Cunard, though, it makes sense to rename the article. Goodnight Kiwi should remain the primary topic with a disambiguation hatnote pointing to Goodnight Kiwi (TV series). Cheers, Chocmilk03 (talk) 23:13, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
 * These sources are about the 2019 television series Goodnight Kiwi, though some discuss the animation short Goodnight Kiwi as part of the historical background. Cunard (talk) 23:15, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks both. So User:Chocmilk03 does that mean you are recommending the article be moved? (Oh, I see Cunard's move recommendation above now.) - Indefensible (talk) 23:47, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Yep, that's my view :) I'm not sure if I should be updating my vote to 'keep and move', or if 'keep' is fine and the move can be done separately. Cheers, Chocmilk03 (talk) 02:36, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks for clarifying. Still think merging the articles would be appropriate because I am skeptical of their having enough separate notability for different articles, but I see the consensus appears to be to keep both currently. - Indefensible (talk) 04:15, 26 September 2023 (UTC)


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