Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Gotee Brothers


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Doczilla @SUPERHEROLOGIST 02:40, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

The Gotee Brothers

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Completely unsourced article about a band with at best questionable claim to passing WP:NMUSIC. The notability claim here involves a listed but unsourced award claim, without clarifying whether they won it or were just nominated for it, and otherwise the article just states that the band's music existed -- and even the award is of such debatable notability that 28th GMA Dove Awards (the 1997 ceremony at which this was presumably, but unsourcedly, relevant) is literally just a primary-sourced "ceremony happened, the end" stub without listing even one winner or nominee either, which means it doesn't constitute an unambiguously clear pass of NMUSIC #8 absent proper sourcing. So no prejudice against recreation in the future if somebody can write and source something significantly better than this, but nothing here is "inherently" notable enough to absolve them of having to have any actual sourcing. Bearcat (talk) 00:13, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians and United States of America. Bearcat (talk) 00:13, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep. Passes criteria 8 of WP:BAND as the winner of a Dove Award. See  Here is a review of their album ERACE:  There are others in google books. Clearly no good faith attempt at WP:BEFORE was made by the nominator as these were extremely simple to find.4meter4 (talk) 00:49, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep - Since it is notable as per WP:CHARTMATH and reference for the same has passed WP:CHARTS and suitable
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 06:55, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep Dove award isn't the biggest, but it's a big enough genre music award to count. Jclemens (talk) 07:06, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete Not notable enough. As for the award, notability is not inherited. Subject not notable, there isn't even a single source in the wholeness of the article. Pl or ek y Have a problem? 08:17, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep, this band passes an SNG and can therefore be assumed to be notable, I reckon the Dove Awards are an important enough accolade contrary to the nom. There are sources in the article so I'm not sure what Ploreky's concern is there. Devonian Wombat (talk) 12:23, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
 * If their concern is violations of WP:V and WP:NOR (criteria 6 or 7 of WP:DEL-REASON, which I disagree are applicable here), I've added a couple of refs, mostly from Billboard (magazine), which is definitely RS. Not are are necessarily WP:SIGCOV to me, but IMHO this probably passes WP:NBAND criteria 8, and someone else could expand the article in the future as I don't have access to the full PDFs. Nevertheless, IMO WP:V and WP:NOR concerns should be addressed now. Many thanks!  VickKiang  (talk)  23:30, 2 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Weak Keep. IMO the Dove Award, given out by Gospel Music Association (not the most well-known, but notable enough per WP standards to survive an AfD with strong consensus at Articles for deletion/Gospel Music Association (2nd nomination)) like said by above is not the most prominent award. Nevertheless, IMO it weakly passes criteria 8 of WP:NBAND, Has won or been nominated for a major music award, such as a Grammy, Juno, Mercury, Choice or Grammis award. I concur partially with that whether it is major could be debatable. However, an established WP:SNG criteria should not be considered to be an example of inherited notability. (Note: Also see my comments at User talk:Ploreky prior to its deletion.) Many thanks!  VickKiang   (talk)  20:18, 2 November 2022 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.