Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Grand Lodge Hotel (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Liz Read! Talk! 06:28, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

The Grand Lodge Hotel
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There are absolutely zero acceptable secondary sources on this hotel that I can find. None of the sources on the article are secondary sources. Previous AfD conversation had arguments that there are "300 search results" but a flurry of results for websites that are hotel booking sites or similar are not grounds for notability. Although it's argued this is a prominent structure, it completely fails NBUILD's guideline of "significant in-depth coverage by reliable, third-party sources to establish notability". PDXBart (talk) 00:27, 4 August 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  00:53, 11 August 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  01:27, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment I don't think it's on the National Register of Historic Places for Washington County, but I haven't dug enough into the historical districts to see if it's included there; would be notable if it was, if not, I don't find many sources, delete. Oaktree b (talk) 00:38, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Does not appear to be within the boundaries of a historic district: . Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 14:52, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
 * While the Grand Lodge does not appear to be on the registry of historic buildings it is well known throughout the history of Forest Grove. This is a large part of the history of this area. This article needs to be kept and updated. I am currently researching the Grand Lodge and I will share my sources once I have completed my research. While modifications to this article need to be made the deletion of the Grand Lodge would be a loss to historical and paranormal researchers. 2601:1C0:6C03:1050:DDD7:9AC0:7608:9BB0 (talk) 17:01, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Please note that Wikipedia prohibits original research. Unless you are using published sources, your research does not meet our guidelines. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 23:52, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment I just edited to add a citation from the Oregonian. It's just one secondary source, though. Mattsjc (talk) 04:57, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Oregon-related deletion discussions. Kbabej (talk) 15:56, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * To whom it may concern,
 * My wife and I were driving past this amazing lodge and gardens and it peeked my interest in what it was. Learning it's history was what I was after and I was pleased to find :Wikipedia had some interest in it as well. Please don't delete this! Cheers — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:1C0:6100:5F10:BC79:E4AD:5B34:CAC0 (talk) 23:53, 19 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep. There's coverage in Pamplin Media with an article about the Lodge turning 100 here; KGW covered renovations in 2017 here; Patch covered plans for the venue to become a concert venue in 2021 here, as did Portland Monthly magazine here, Oregon Live here, and Willamette Week (newspaper) here; and 1859 did a profile here. And that's all before even accessing Newspapers.com or going through mentions (all articles listed above are solely on the subject). --Kbabej (talk) 20:24, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep. Enough sources have been found and added to justify keeping per above discussion, with still more to follow (as it takes a long time to go through 100+ years of coverage). For in-depth coverage satisfying WP:GNG (as opposed to WP:NCORP mainly because it's the history of the building, rather than the corporate history of the hotel, that makes the Grand Lodge especially notable), I would point to the 2022 Portland Monthly magazine article which includes the author's own experience of the site and the 1922 Oregon Journal article about the construction and opening of the Masonic home. Cielquiparle (talk) 23:19, 24 August 2022 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.