Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Grand Tour (1997 TV series)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. --BDD (talk) 18:01, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

The Grand Tour (1997 TV series)

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Not notable, seemingly only created due to the presence of The Grand Tour (2016 TV series). TheKaphox  T  16:21, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 20:07, 4 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete I agree with the nominator. I can't find anything on this earlier series. Even imdb's page is nothing more than a stub. Doesn't meet the general notability guideline. -- Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 20:13, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete I agree with the deletion. It gives no info whatsoever and only serves to clash with The Grand Tour (2016 TV series) which should also be moved back to The Grand Tour (TV series) if this is deleted. Dyolf87 (talk) 11:33, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Moving The Grand Tour (2016 TV series) back to The Grand Tour (TV series) is a valid point. With only one article there is no need for disambiguation by year. -- Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 14:29, 5 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep + expand stub. For searches related to The Grand Tour, Google Snippets returns https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=the+grand+tour+episodes metadata for The Grand Tour (2016 TV series) mixed up with episode listings from The Grand Tour (1997 TV series).  This highlighted that there is already (extant) confusion and the need for WP:DISAMBIGUATION, so that (in particular) search engines can tell the difference and direct readers to the correct place.  It would be great if other editors with a specialised interest in The Grand Tour (2016 TV series) ( and  especially…) could help positively contribute to the wider encyclopedia and expand the stub—although it does require real research effort as this is from the paper-era when reviews were still printed out and published, rather than on the internet.  —Sladen (talk) 05:51, 7 December 2016 (UTC)  (The Grand Tour (1997 TV series) stub creator)
 * It would be great if other editors with a specialised interest in The Grand Tour (2016 TV series) ( and especially…) could help positively contribute to the wider encyclopedia and expand the stub - Why would I help expand this article? Is it within my field of interest? All the article tells you is that it was (allegedly) produced by Jupiter Entertainment (there is no source confirming that it was actually produced), and that there was a trademark application filed in 1996. Imdb says there were 2 seasons, but imdb is not a reliable source. There is basically nothing that we know about this series, certainly not enough to warrant an article. If you want to create one, then create it in draft space and move it to mainspace after it meets the GNG, which it doesn't now. -- Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 09:19, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Why would I wish to spend my time researching a twenty-year-old TV show just to fill out an unneeded article? The Google results for 'The Grand Tour' will soon push the 1997 series down the results, as it is TWENTY years old! The Grand Tour (2016 TV series) is the only currently airing programme with that title. All you have succeded in doing is drawing search engines' attention to the 1997 series. Therefore the sooner the page is deleted and The Grand Tour (2016 TV series) returns to The Grand Tour (TV series) the better. -- Dyolf87 (talk) 10:49, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, st170e talk 01:15, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete Nothing mentioned in the article as to where it aired at all (A&E), but this was basically an unexceptional exotic home/estate tour series which was barely notable at the time and certainly isn't well-remembered at all (think a low-budget Lifestyles of the Rich & Famous clone, but without Robin Leach or charisma, or your average Biography clone in the peak of every cable network launching their own bio series). I could be convinced to weak keep if sources are found, but as-is I'm doubting that more than just 'it exists at this timeslot in TV listings' paper sourcing can be found for this series.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 04:56, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete Per nom and Mrschimpf.  Lugnuts  Precious bodily fluids 08:00, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete The article now contains no citations as the only previous one is now a dead link. So it's now an unencyclopaedic entry with no information of any value and no references and should never have been made. Dyolf87 (talk) 13:49, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
 * You can only !vote once. -- Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 14:30, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I didn't know I was voting... Dyolf87 (talk) 22:14, 12 December 2016 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.