Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Great Rivalry (Park vs Horlick)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. One two three... 22:39, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

The Great Rivalry (Park vs Horlick)

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This article is about a non-notable subject. There are hundreds of thousands of high school rivalries in the United States, and all of them may be important to the teens who attend those schools, but that doesn't make them notable. Calling the article "The Great Rivalry" is also extremely misleading, as it leads the reader to expect that the article is about something important, which it definitely isn't.  Civil  Disobedience  16:04, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. Doesn't establish why this rivalry exists nor why it is of note. The sources quoted cover only the last 10 years, yet this supposed rivalry has been of alleged great importance for the last 81 years. Are there no reliable sources for that period? The author has posted, on the article's talk page, defenses against Afd but, in my opinion, they are invalid, as they relate to the author's feelings, and the potential for large numbers of page hits as being a criteria for notability. Eddie.willers (talk) 18:29, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep, cleanup, rename and desensationalise. Passes WP:RS. All of the issues here are editorial and are not for AFD. Dalejenkins | 18:58, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 03:58, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. Schools are (according to some WP documentation I can't find) inherently notable, because of local interest. I have done my best with limited resources to add reliable sources that not only establish the existence of the rivalry, but also that it's notable (at least locally). To the point about recent sources, the local paper's archives only go back to 1998, and I think requiring users to dig up library microfiche in order to warrant inclusion is a bit ridiculous. The recent articles (especially the ones about last year's playoff game) easily establish the length and notability. Also, a page name is never a reason to delete a page. The article was titled as such because that is what my primary source called it. Please also remember that just because you have never heard of it doesn't mean it's not notable. Daniel J Simanek (talk) 07:19, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Also please check out the talk page where I further outline reasons for inclusion. Just because I feel that an article meets certain criteria doesn't mean that it doesn't. Daniel J Simanek (talk) 07:35, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions.  —TerriersFan (talk) 14:32, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
 * comment why not merge to the high school article page? Am I missing something, or is there any non-local coverage of this Great Rivalry? tedder (talk) 20:41, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
 * My guess would be 'yes' as to the non-local coverage (i.e. The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel). It would just be harder to find. As to why not merge: it prevents duplicating information on both of the schools' articles. Daniel J Simanek (talk) 07:12, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Milwaukee is located only about 30 miles from these schools, in an adjacent county. Is there any coverage anything more distant than that? --Metropolitan90 (talk) 07:35, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Coverage (at least to my knowledge) does not extend past the southeastern Wisconsin area. But does that really matter? As long as it's established that the rivalry exists and is locally notable (using WP:RS), doesn't it warrant inclusion on the same criteria the schools are included on? Daniel J Simanek (talk) 17:27, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. No one is arguing for the deletion of the schools' articles, and the interest for those articles match that of this one.  Perhaps calling it "The Great Rivalry" is a bit misleading, but I don't think that's a sufficient reason for deletion. Trocaire42 (talk) 17:49, 19 May 2009 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.