Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Heritage School, Newnan


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Speedy keep. Cannot say whether this was brought out of bad faith, or WP:CIR issues, but the nominator, whose only edits have been to the subject article, has been in the wind since this was brought, and the nominatio rationale is false. John from Idegon (talk) 00:03, 11 February 2019 (UTC) (non-admin closure)

The Heritage School, Newnan

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No reliable sources found to verify notability Karenvisser2000 (talk) 19:04, 6 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep, national-level sources in article, including Los Angeles Times and Baltimore Sun, are not reliable? It seems like some updating about the school would be good, but that is for discussion at Talk page and/or tagging or should just be done, not for AFD.--Doncram (talk) 19:37, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Note, the current version of article shows reasonably objective coverage of the controversy about this place, apparently created as a segregation academy around 1970, but little else. Previous versions had a bit more about other stuff.  I don't think the Wikipedia article should be too narrow, it should be developed to cover about athletic teams, about notable alumni, etc. as done for high school articles in general.  Perhaps the current version reflects the battling back and forth, where some (perhaps associated with the school, but it doesn't really matter) have been trying to delete everything, and some others determined for the historic negative record to be preserved have been most adamant about restoring that part.  However, it could/should be more balanced.
 * I note the official website for the academy has a "history" section with no substantial history, just mention of a group of parents getting together to form a school. No mention anywhere within the website about its relationship (admitted, denied, modified-over-the-years, whatever) with segregation.  Certainly if there is any official statement from the academy about its past or present, that should be reported for balance, but I dunno if any such exists.  Hey, has anyone considered calling the school and asking for any press releases, public statements, news coverage they are proud of.  Or maybe that is not feasible.  If anyone from the school reads this, please do consider contributing material, including perhaps by confidential consultation/correspondence with Wikipedia's wp:OTRS team. --Doncram (talk) 00:12, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Anyhow, most of the photos show only white kids, but there are at least some non-white kids, per at least one photo of an athletic team, for what it's worth. Maybe/probably there exists some coverage about the first non-white admissions there, even about any positive program to integrate the school perhaps with scholarships, whatever, who knows.  I bet that some/many of the students/graduates/families do not subscribe to racism;  it shouldn't be all suggestive of that issue;  it seems somewhat non-encyclopedic to just cover/imply about that aspect.  Encyclopedic= about everything. :) --Doncram (talk) 00:03, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Also, about racism or not, we shouldn't be too judgmental. This school does seem notable for its mentions in Congress etc, as an effective segregation academy, and for their awkward claim not to discriminate despite probably in effect doing so.  But on the other hand, I can imagine families concerned about their own kids getting a good education, could want for their sake to place them into private schools, if the public schools are bad.  Not everyone is up to taking on integration, for their own kids, even if it is what they most would like to support long-term.  I am not apologizing for anyone, and I know nothing at all about particulars here.  But the school website's story (brief, not supported by documentary proof, but nonetheless) is just about parents creating a school, and we don't know. --Doncram (talk) 00:20, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Does any of this have to do with whether the article should be kept or deleted? This sounds like material for the article talk page, or other talk pages.Jacona (talk) 13:12, 8 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep Obvious keep. The school was discussed by the US Senate in 1970 here, on page 1997, it was discussed in the above mentioned Los Angeles Times and Baltimore Sun articles in 1970, as well as an additional LA Times mention in 1971. It clearly meets WP:gng, but is being nominated as unsourced. The nominator (a single purpose account), several other SPAs, two of which have been definitively identified as WP:SOCKS (see sockpuppet investigation here), have been repeatedly removing sourced information from the page. Since they've been unsuccessful, the next attempt at WP:CENSORship is to nominate for deletion.Jacona (talk) 19:57, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep and consider protection. If the testimony made under oath and taken by Walter Mondale (eventually VP to native Georgian President Jimmy Carter) is not reliable, then nothing is. Consider WP:SNOW closure. Rhadow (talk) 21:56, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment See the nominators editing history and Sockpuppet investigations/Bubba4369. — BillHPike (talk, contribs) 23:44, 6 February 2019 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.