Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Holy Serbian Doctrine


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The result was delete. ~ Amory  (u • t • c) 00:46, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

The Holy Serbian Doctrine

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This is an unsalvageable, barely comprehensible Albanian nationalist coatrack that is rife with original research and POV issues. 23 editor (talk) 01:52, 3 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete - per nominator. I can´t find a single mention of this alleged "The Holy Serbian Doctrine" in any source that not the Albanian Wikipedia article. FkpCascais (talk) 05:16, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete. Some kind of Albanian conspiracy theory that doesn't belong on Wikipedia.   Pepper Beast    (talk)  06:39, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ethnic groups-related deletion discussions. The Mighty Glen (talk) 07:08, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
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 * Delete (Userfy also perhaps possible) - per WP:TNT in this case. Poor translation (e.g. This idea later began to be institutionalized in Serbian shaved circles and become their essential preoccupation in the lede). Sourcing of article far below par for such a highly contentious subject - I would expect us to rely on an academic history text books, or journal articles, preferably in English, for the main points here - which is not the case here. POV problems. There might be an article to be had on this subject - but not in this form.Icewhiz (talk) 11:08, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete First of all - there is no mention of the Doctrine itself in the literature and the reason is because it doesn't exist as described in the article (doctrine from 1885 to today). This is a clear example of a hoax. The article itself is full of open insults towards institutions such as Serbian Orthodox Church and Republic of Serbia (in the article "Serbian state") and also against the Serbs. The examples are calling the Serbian state today as criminal and ethnocide state, undemocratic (Quote: Pos Naçertanies, from whose source are the plans and programs for the extermination of Albanians, which are still guided today, and until it draws out drawers and publishes these plans, Serbia will never be democratized.) etc. After check, some of the sources don't match with the claimed - failed verifiability, which are tagged now. The article is in majority unreferenced with the part which seems to represent personal opinions of the author (if it was translated from Albanian wikipedia, from the author from that wikia - but author on this wikia who translated it didn't removed that). Also, majority of the claims are false as they don't match and contradict mains sources and literature about the topic. For example, Načertanije in the article. Nacertanije was influenced by a document written by Polish Prince Adam Czartoryski in 1843 and the revised version by Polish ambassador to Serbia, Franjo Zach, "Zach's Plan" (for more details see the page) - In the article there are unreferenced claims that it was influenced by some, again alleged, Russian programs (not cited which nor explained) and some alleged Serbian Orthodox Doctrine which is incorrect, if you compare the reasons from literature about the topic. Also, not to mention the programs which didn't existed or which are left unexplained such as some Ivo Andric's programs, alleged concentration camps etc. James Jim Moriarty (talk) 15:00, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete as obvious hoax. No credibility. --Juicy Oranges (talk) 15:31, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete Like everyone else, I can find no usage of the term anywhere except Wikipedia and mirror sites. Neiltonks (talk) 16:03, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete To be entirely fair to the creator, there is actually a useful topic in differentiating Serbian nationalism from "ethnic puricist" ideology that arose in certain periods (1870s, 1940s, 1990s), as despite common Western terming of such ideology as "Serbian nationalism", one can be a Serbian natlist and not adhere to that. However, this page is a mess and is nowhere close to wiki standards, to say the least. --Calthinus (talk) 09:24, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete, xenophobic pamphlet, hoax about an Albanian-POV conspiracy theory.--Z oupan 22:34, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete as per WP:NOTESSAY; WP is NOT a venue for racist propaganda.E.M.Gregory (talk) 11:47, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete as an obvious hoax (as in the pamphlet described in the article doesn't actually exist) and very offensive and racist propaganda that potrays the Serbians as monsters to the Albanians. No references for it exist outside of the original Albanian Wikipedia version of this article. 98.209.191.37 (talk) 12:32, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete No sources in the article, and GB has nothing relating to it. Ktrimi991 (talk) 20:47, 5 April 2018 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.