Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Impact of Farmers' Markets on U.S. Economies


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Clear consensus to keep, and equally clear consensus that the article is poorly named. However, there is no consensus on what the best name is, so for now, leaving it at the current title and suggest that the interested parties discuss a better name on the article's talk page. -- RoySmith (talk) 14:27, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

The Impact of Farmers' Markets on U.S. Economies

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essay, not an encyclopaedic article The Banner talk 11:58, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Extra reasoning: recreation of earlier deleted articles The Economic Impact of Farmers' Markets in the United States and The Impact of Farmers' Markets on the U.S. Economy as copy and paste move within one day of deletion without use of WP:REFUND. The Banner talk 14:05, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Question: has there already been a prod or AFD on the content of this article under a different name? Those deletions seem to be for redirects to non-existent pages.  I'm not clear on how that would serve as a rationale for deletion of this article. Vrac (talk) 15:23, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/The Economic Impact of Farmers' Markets in the United States. The second title is nearly the same as the present article (Economy instead of the present Economies). The articles have been blanked, deleted, userfied and are now here again. The Banner talk 21:55, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that clarification. Vrac (talk) 23:09, 22 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep Our articles are supposed to be prose essays. The nomination presumably doesn't understand that what we don't want are personal essays, which present the author's personal views and opinions rather than facts.  The operative word in this is "personal" not "essay". Andrew D. (talk) 12:25, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:15, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
 * Keep: article is well-sourced with research on this exact topic so I don't see the synthesis, OR, or sourcing issues mentioned in last AFD. I agree with Andrew D. on the essay question.  I do think it would be better off under its previous name of "The Economic Impact of Farmers' Markets in the United States" (minus the The). Vrac (talk) 23:09, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica1000 14:17, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete The material should be covered much more briefly in Farmer's market, with links to the sources for people who want more information. The "impact" is an aspect of the thing itself and should be covered in the main article.  This is a good quality article, it just is not what an encyclopedia is all about which is basic information on clear topics not (what's really) speculation about relationships of cause and effect.  You could have an article on the "impact" of anything on anything else, worthwhile and very important to consider but not for an encyclopedia. (Sorry for my imperfect expression of my thoughts.) Borock (talk) 14:50, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Rename to Farmer's markets in the United States. Any farmer's market is mainly an economic activity (with a little Hobby farmer and maybe "hobby eater" on the side.)  Going beyond what Borock suggested, the economic impact is actually the main point of a farmer's market.  That is the economic benefits to the sellers, buyers, and the community.  There is nothing in an article on the impact of farmer's markets that should not be in an article on farmer's markets.  Besides that we really should have an article on modern American farmer's markets. There have been some kind of farmer's markets ever since farming and money were first invented. Kitfoxxe (talk) 17:57, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
 * That is a "Keep" vote, in my opinion, although I agree renaming is appropriate. Renaming is for editors to discuss at Talk page of article, perhaps have a wp:RM if disagreement is likely, after AFD closes. -- do  ncr  am  00:38, 29 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep, though perhaps Rename discussion should consider "Economic impacts of farmers' markets in the U.S." as title. Too much of the current title is capitalized.  It's a fine topic on both the economic analysis how-to's (the methodology) and the estimates of actual effects in monetary terms.  There's room for improvement in terms of academic criticism of the estimation methodologies that are sometimes used.  Obviously economic impact studies as covered here can be biased / partisan / mis-used.  For that very reason, it is helpful to have an encyclopedia article on the topic, especially on the methodologies used and the general results (e.g. perhaps that a new farmer's market can have a local positive impact but have a negative impact a bit further away, and no net U.S. level impact, which is likely and not inconsistent with the article as written). -- do  ncr  am  00:38, 29 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep. Yes, it's a very specific, isolated topic that might have to be broken up and rearranged. However the material itself seems alright and interesting. Some abstraction from the United States case would help, as these aspects might differ quantitatively in other countries but not qualititatively. --PanchoS (talk) 02:06, 29 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete: Almost every sentences screams for, and I can't think of any reason why what incontestable material there is wouldn't be as happy at home in Farmers market. So, all that, and the "Extra reasoning" by The Banner above.--Раціональне анархіст (talk) 19:14, 2 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep and rename to Economic impact of farmers' markets to match Manual of Style guidelines and because several of its sources are applicable internationally. EllenCT (talk) 00:17, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.