Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The John Birch Conspiracy Theory


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to Botch (band). I'm closing this as merge because that's what the automation makes easy to do. The real consensus here is that these two album articles should not stay as stand-alone articles. There's no real consensus on whether they should be merged into the parent band article, or into Botch discography (which as of this writing is a redirect to the band). Those details can be worked out on the article talk pages as normal editorial consensus building without need for further AfD involvement. Whatever happens, leave these two titles as redirects. -- RoySmith (talk) 11:18, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

The John Birch Conspiracy Theory

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Majority of existing sources in the article fail WP:RS and WP:ALBUM/SOURCE criteria, particularly Discogs and Rateyourmusic, which both feature largely or entirely user-generated content. Due to this lack of significant coverage from reliable sources, the subject fails both WP:GNG and WP:NALBUM notability criteria. On a personal note, I spent a year researching the artist of this album to expand their Wikipedia page and do not believe it could ever be expanded beyond a stub-class article. My attempt to redirect was contested, so I am taking it to AFD. I have also nominated Faction (Botch album) for deletion for similar reasons. Fezmar9 (talk) 02:51, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: Adding this so the automation script can find it. -- RoySmith (talk) 11:13, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (Talk&#124;Contribs) 15:16, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (Talk&#124;Contribs) 15:16, 12 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Merge. There's no question at all that the band, Botch, is notable. So the question is how to deal with the permastub information about its EPs and other miscellaneous releases. This band has two studio albums, three EPs, two compilation albums, a live album, a box set, a number of split albums with other bands, and one-off appearances on several other albums. That's a lot of potential information, and it makes the discography section of the band article already something of a gangly mess. Accordingly (as suggested by WP:NALBUM as well), I suggest a merger of content from the two articles nominated here (and the other release articles, likely) into a centralized Botch discography (redlinked at the time I write this). Squeamish Ossifrage (talk) 20:25, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

I agree with creating an article for Botch's discography; however, I do not believe this page should be deleted. A discography page would not be suitable for some information that a page dedicated to the actual album/EP would contain. More information could become available, with better sources, at a future date. The article should remain, unless it becomes stagnant for a long period of time. Jericho735 (talk) 17:00, 18 April 2018 (UTC)
 * This is a 22 year old demo released by a long-since defunct label recorded by an underground hardcore band that disbanded 16 years ago. The likelihood of more information randomly becoming available in the future is so minuscule it's not even worth bringing up. Please see WP:ATA, WP:MUSTBESOURCES and WP:ABOUTEVERYTHING. Fezmar9 (talk) 01:48, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Redirect both to Botch (band), merge or create a new discography spin out at discretion, refs in the article are listings etc and nothing on google. Szzuk (talk) 08:32, 19 April 2018 (UTC)


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