Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Kids' Cookery School


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. I see there are two distinct AfDs for this page and Fiona Hamilton-Fairley, the CEO of this institution (see Articles for deletion/Fiona Hamilton-Fairley). However, the coverage is clearly overlapping, and arguments for standalone notability become weaker when there is a closely related subject with overlapping coverage. Arguments are being made at both discussions to redirect or merge, but these depend on the fate of the other page. So, I recommend both these articles be considered together, so that the totality of the coverage may be considered in a single context, and all the possible outcomes (from zero pages to two) may be examined. Therefore, this is a no consensus with no prejudice against immediate renomination. Vanamonde (Talk) 15:19, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

The Kids' Cookery School

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Delete No indications of notability. I am unable to locate any references that meet the criteria for establishing notabilty - most articles (such as this one from Christian Science Monitor are churnalism, others are mentions-in-passing or rely on interviews/quotations. Topic fails GNG and WP:NCORP.  HighKing++ 12:16, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions. Icewhiz (talk) 12:20, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. Icewhiz (talk) 12:20, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. Icewhiz (talk) 12:20, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the Article Rescue Squadron's list of content for rescue consideration. 7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 22:23, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

*Delete per WP:NOTPROMO. The fact that in over a decade no editor has found the topic interesting enough to add a source speaks volumes. that said, I do see a few old articles in a news archive: (Kids' recipe for healthy eating: MOST PARENTS AGREE, COOKING IS A VITAL SKILL CHILDREN NEED TO LEARN. KIDS' COOKERY EXPERT FIONA HAMILTON-FAIRLEY OFFERS lisa salmon TIPS ON GETTING LITTLE ONES BUSY IN THE KITCHEN, Salmon, Lisa. Liverpool Echo; Liverpool (UK) [Liverpool (UK)]26 Oct 2016: 8. ), (We can all go to work on an egg A pioneering cookery school is teaching as much about life skills as how to rustle up a shepherd's pie, says Kevin Gould. Meanwhile, family food guru Annabel Karmel has advice on how to get your children eating more healthily, Gould, Kevin. The Daily Telegraph; London (UK) [London (UK)]31 Aug 2002: 12.). If someone wants to attempt to make this into an acceptable article, I suggest that they make it a single article on school and its founder/director. If you make the attempt, feel free to ping me to reconsider. However, even though I am seeing a few sources, I am very skeptical that there is enough her to pass WP:GNG.E.M.Gregory (talk) 22:11, 6 August 2019 (UTC) note: E.M.Gregory was indefinitely blocked as a sock on August 8, 2019. Lightburst (talk) 02:24, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Note that a SPA created this page and one on this school's founder Fiona Hamilton-Fairley in 2007, then left the project.E.M.Gregory (talk) 22:11, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Note that a SPA created this page and one on this school's founder Fiona Hamilton-Fairley in 2007, then left the project.E.M.Gregory (talk) 22:11, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Merge/Redirect into the Hamilton-Fairley's WP page. Corn cheese (talk) 02:54, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep or merge. I have added WP:RS, and I consider the school notable. The person who started and runs the school "Fiona Hamilton-Fairley" received the Order of the British Empire award (2019) from the Queen for her work with the school. I just may have added enough WP:SIGCOV to keep the article and there is more WP:NEXIST. However if it cannot be kept, perhaps merge with Fiona Hamilton-Fairley. WP:ATD Lightburst (talk) 02:21, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep Easily meets WP:GNG. WP:Hey, as artilce now contains better sources and content than when nominated for deletion.  Q.E.D., WP:Before was ignored.
 * WP:Preserve would dictate a merger, if some errant editor thinks that deletion is warranted. 7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 22:00, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
 * This article was created in 2007. 12 years of existence suggests that the "SPA" creation argument is a Red herring.  7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 20:44, 11 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment in response to the two Keep !votes above. This article is about the business, not about the founder - please read WP:NOTINHERITED. The article contains more references but nothing has changes except the volume. Not a single one of the references that have been added meet the criteria for establishing notability - please read WP:NCORP and especially ORGIND and CORPDEPTH. For example, this Telegraph reference is classic churnalism and does not contain any Independent Content whatsoever, fails WP:ORGIND. Similarly the Belfast Telegraph reference contains quotations from Hamilton-Fairley and mentions the school as part of her title as Chief Executive. Notability is not inherited. Article fails WP:CORPDEPTH. The Huff Post reference is a PRIMARY source, published by Hamilton-Fairley and fails WP:RS. The mention in Delicious Magazine is part of a list of places that provide classes, fails WP:SIGCOV and WP:CORPDEPTH. The Guardian reference is marginally better but also fails WP:CORPDEPTH. <b style="font-family: Courier; color: darkgreen;"> HighKing</b>++ 12:27, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Merge to Fiona Hamilton-Fairley. The sources in this article are as much about Hamilton-Fairley as the school, and some of the information is about her rather than the school (and should be in the article about her). I don't see enough coverage to meet WP:ORGCRITE, but with these sources added to those in the Fiona Hamilton-Fairley article, and others that WP:NEXIST, I believe that she meets WP:GNG. RebeccaGreen (talk) 11:14, 14 August 2019 (UTC)


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