Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Klan (Belgian band) (3rd nomination)


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The result was   delete. -- Cirt (talk) 00:52, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

The Klan (Belgian band)
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Fails WP:BAND. Only one album, no clear evidence of notability. Can be redirected to Luc Hensill. Spatulli (talk) 03:11, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete. No significant coverage found. One album only. Not enough for an article.--Michig (talk) 05:39, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Belgium-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 19:30, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 19:30, 19 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep Per WP:MUSIC#5 - band has released two albums on major label. Wikipedia: Notability (music): Criteria for musicians and ensembles: 5. Has released two or more albums on a major label or one of the more important indie labels (i.e., an independent label with a history of more than a few years and a roster of performers, many of which are notable). * PALETTE BMG UNIVERSAL # MPB 3020: The Klan, L.P. Album, Belgium, 1966. The Klan, VRT & SIMIM/IFPI, Belgian State Music Archives. PALETTE BMG UNIVERSAL (BMG is the world's third largest music publisher and the world's largest independent music publisher, UNIVERSAL is the largest business group and family of record labels in the recording industry. It is the largest of the "big four" record companies by its commanding market share and its multitude of global operations (from Wikipedia)). * EMI # 062.64312 : The Klan, L.P. Album, Belgium, 1981 (Remixed, Remasterised, new Editing & Stereo by EMI). The Klan, VRT & SIMIM/IFPI, Belgian State Music Archives. In 1981, EMI remastered, in Stereo and with a quality enhancement of sound, the L.P. Album of The Klan (Belgian band). The master tape was subjected to further electronic treatment by specialist mastering engineers. EMI released a new version of the Album because the original mastering was Mono. From Wikipedia: "Remaster (and its derivations, frequently found in the phrases digitally remastered or digital remastering) is a word marketed mostly in the digital audio age, although the remastering process has existed since recording began. Frequently advertised with regard to CD and DVD releases, remastering has become a powerful buzzword in multimedia industries, and it generally implies quality enhancement of sound to a previously existing recording frequently designed to encourage people to buy a new version on a new release" . Albums References from the Vlaamse Radio- en Televisieomroep (national broadcasting organisation of the government of the Flemish-speaking northern part of Belgium) archives. New reference: The Klan (Belgian band): Teiji Kusano of Shinko music promoted The Klan (Belgian band) in Japan: "World Music's Roland Kluger Widens Palette Distribution in Israel and Greece", Billboard, November 4, 1967.Raoniz (talk) 02:42, 20 September 2010 (UTC) — Note to closing admin: Raoniz (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this XfD. Spatulli (talk) 03:20, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment No, there's only ONE album and several EP's. I can see there's only one album, "Join Us" of Palette Records. The criteria in wp:BAND says it must have more than one album. Therefore it doesn't meet the criteriaSpatulli (talk) 03:23, 20 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment the lengthy comment above me was made by the band's leader's son who is also the creator of the page that is the subject of this AfD. Spatulli (talk) 03:20, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment There are two different LP albums released by two different Majors label !
 * And more than that, there are five EP's and from 1950 and until now, you have the LP album, the EP and the Single.
 * In facts, The Klan (Belgian band) has seven albums released on major label.
 * From Wikipedia: Extended play: "During the 1950s, RCA published several EP albums of Walt Disney movies, containing both the story and the songs".

Greetings Raoniz (talk) 14:26, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
 * "Out of line", E.P (Palette Records, 1966)
 * "Join Us", L.P. album (Palette Records, 1966)
 * "Wait and see", E.P. (Festival, France 1967)
 * "Melody maker", E.P. (Palette Records, 1967)
 * "Sitting On My Own", E.P. (Supraphon, Tchekia & Slovakia, 1967)
 * "Sans Toi", E.P. (Palette Records, 1967)
 * "Join Us", remastered & stereo, L.P. album (EMI, 1981)
 * Comment I repeat: an EP is NOT an album. As a rule, an EP is counted as a single for the purposes of WP:BAND. I removed all the instances where you wrote "E.P. album" as this is wrong to say that. Please see the Extended play article for more information about the differentation between an album and an e.p. For the moment, I see 5 EP's and ONE album. (The second "Join us", which was remastered once, doesn't qualify as being a NEW album). Thanks Again. Spatulli (talk) 14:42, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment According to Wikipedia article Extended play, the first album was an EP released in 1919. According to Wikipedia article LP record, the first LP only appears in 1931. Raoniz (talk) 15:15, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Question Wait, how do you conclude from "...The earliest multi-track records, issued around 1919 by Grey Gull Records, were vertically-cut 78 rpm discs known as "2-in-1" records." that "the first album was an EP"? Spatulli (talk) 15:17, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment According to Wikipedia article Extended play: "The earliest multi-track records, issued around 1919 by Grey Gull Records, were vertically-cut 78 rpm discs known as "2-in-1" records. These had finer than usual grooves, like Edison Disc Records". Raoniz (talk) 15:24, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Hmmm... You didn't answer my question, but nevermind. Spatulli (talk) 15:29, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
 * From Wikipedia: E.P. Extended play: "During the 1950s, RCA published several EP albums of Walt Disney movies, containing both the story and the songs. These usually featured the original casts of actors and actresses. Each album contained two seven-inch records, plus a fully-illustrated booklet containing the text of the recording, so that children could follow along by reading". "Some classical music albums released at the beginning of the LP era were also distributed as EP albums — notably the seven operas that Arturo Toscanini conducted on radio between 1944 and 1954" Greetings. Raoniz (talk) 10:27, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, / ƒETCH COMMS  /  01:31, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.

Comment Per WP:MUSIC#5 - band has released two or more albums on major label. Wikipedia: Notability (music): Criteria for musicians and ensembles: 5. Has released two or more albums on a major label or one of the more important indie labels (i.e., an independent label with a history of more than a few years and a roster of performers, many of which are notable). From Wikipedia:"Remaster (and its derivations, frequently found in the phrases digitally remastered or digital remastering) is a word marketed mostly in the digital audio age, although the remastering process has existed since recording began. Frequently advertised with regard to CD and DVD releases, remastering has become a powerful buzzword in multimedia industries, and it generally implies quality enhancement of sound to a previously existing recording frequently designed to encourage people to buy a new version on a new release". Note: for the Majors, the market and the Belgian official archives, they are two different albums. Why people would go to buy something they already own? That's why the official Belgian archives have registered two albums. The ordinary re-releases are not registered two times, otherwise the album would be registered at least five times. Albums References from the Vlaamse Radio- en Televisieomroep (national broadcasting organisation of the government of the Flemish-speaking northern part of Belgium) archives.
 * PALETTE BMG UNIVERSAL # MPB 3020: The Klan, "Join Us", L.P. Album, Belgium, 1966. The Klan, VRT & SIMIM/IFPI, Belgian State Music Archives. PALETTE BMG UNIVERSAL (BMG is the world's third largest music publisher and the world's largest independent music publisher, UNIVERSAL is the largest business group and family of record labels in the recording industry. It is the largest of the "big four" record companies by its commanding market share and its multitude of global operations (from Wikipedia)).
 * EMI # 062.64312 : The Klan, "Join Us", L.P. Album, Belgium, 1981 (Remixed, Remasterised, new Editing & Stereo by EMI). The Klan, VRT & SIMIM/IFPI, Belgian State Music Archives. In 1981, EMI remastered, in Stereo and with a quality enhancement of sound, the L.P. Album of The Klan (Belgian band). The master tape was subjected to further electronic treatment by specialist mastering engineers. EMI released a new version of the Album because the original mastering was Mono.

The Klan (Belgian band) has seven albums released on major label: From Wikipedia: E.P. Extended play: "During the 1950s, RCA published several EP albums of Walt Disney movies, containing both the story and the songs. These usually featured the original casts of actors and actresses. Each album contained two seven-inch records, plus a fully-illustrated booklet containing the text of the recording, so that children could follow along by reading". "Some classical music albums released at the beginning of the LP era were also distributed as EP albums — notably the seven operas that Arturo Toscanini conducted on radio between 1944 and 1954" Greetings Raoniz (talk) 06:23, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
 * "Out of line", E.P. album (Palette Records, 1966)
 * "Join Us", L.P. album (Palette Records, 1966)
 * "Wait and see", E.P. album (Festival, France 1967)
 * "Melody maker", E.P. album (Palette Records, 1967)
 * "Sitting On My Own", E.P. album (Supraphon, Tchekia & Slovakia, 1967)
 * "Sans Toi", E.P. album (Palette Records, 1967)
 * "Join Us", remastered & stereo, L.P. album (EMI, 1981)
 * Equipe Internacional # EQI-2001: The Klan, "Join Us", L.P. Album, Sao Paulo, Brazil, 1967. Equipe Internacional was an independent label from Brazil with a history of more than a few years and a roster of performers, many of which are notable
 * Teiji Kusano of Shinko music promoted The Klan (Belgian band) in Japan: "World Music's Roland Kluger Widens Palette Distribution in Israel and Greece", Billboard, November 4, 1967.
 * Delete. This is the same argument that is being used in relation to Articles for deletion/Luc Hensill and fails WP:BAND for the same reason -- a reissued, remastered album does not constitute a second album for the purposes of WP:BAND. Jimmy Pitt   talk  10:29, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
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