Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Land of Monsters


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was DELETE. &mdash; J I P | Talk 09:50, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

The Land of Monsters
nn zine vanity. &mdash; brighterorange  (talk) 16:49, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Please avoid acronyms on AFD, it annoys people that don't understand them (most newcomers), and most deletables are written by newcomers. --Phroziac(talk)[[Image:Flag_of_Phyzech_Republic.svg|25px]] 23:42, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Nn zine-cruft. Sounds good 'n' worthless. --Blackcap | talk 17:00, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Please don't use the term cruft on AFD, it's biting the newcomers, and many people find it offensive. And, please don't call peoples work worthless. --Phroziac(talk)[[Image:Flag_of_Phyzech_Republic.svg|25px]] 23:42, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
 * From WP:GAFD: "-cruft (for example, 'fancruft', 'gamecruft' or 'forumcruft') is shorthand for 'This article is trivia of interest only to hardcore fans of a specific film, television series, book, game, pop singer, web forum, etc.'" Bollocks to not using "cruft." It's useful, and it's even listed in the Guide. For one thing, newcomers who vote on AfDs votes are rarely counted and are often assumed to be sockpuppets, so the "don't bite the newbies" argument is simply trite and unhelpful. When was the last time you saw a newcomer vote on AfD have a vote that was actually grounded in WP policy and was worthy of being counted? Never, for me. Second thing, if a newcomer can't be bothered to read the instructions to AfD, which includes in its glossary such terms as "nn" and "cruft," then that's their problem, not the person who uses those terms. It's shorthand so that we don't waste our time writing out the same old arguments over and over again in longhand. --Blackcap | talk 00:57, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Note: I am entirely in agreeance with not biting newbies, and go out of my way to apologize for and explain misunderstandings. But saying not to use established, easily understood terms that apply perfectly to the article in question to avoid offending the writer of an article that doesn't belong here is too much. --Blackcap | talk 00:57, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete - Non-notable. Oswax 17:15, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, no indication of notability beyond small local group of fans. I know Athens, GA has many kinds of musicians, but is there really enough Folk punk there to keep a zine going?  Barno 18:35, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, unless it isn't a permastub, *AND* is verifiable. --Phroziac(talk)[[Image:Flag_of_Phyzech_Republic.svg|25px]] 23:42, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete- sounds like a high school magazine. Non-notable. --Maru (talk) 00:13, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.