Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Lang School


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. -- Cirt (talk) 00:31, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

The Lang School

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Author claims that school is notable because it is one of only a few that teaches "twice exceptional" students, however there are no sources that support this claim. The article seems to be more about "twice exceptional" students than it is about the school. wacky wace  08:36, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - no evidence of notability; verges on an advertisement for their market niche. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  09:12, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Notability in what you call a "niche market" is complex issue. Granted, The Lang School has not been around for long. But its mere existence is of significance to twice exceptionality (which I would not call a "niche market"). The fact that it opened doors will always be of historical importance to raising consciousness about twice exceptionality, an area poorly documented in Wikipedia (something I intend to rectify). I follow with some links as evidence that The Lang School has received attention by the wider community. Kallocain (talk) 15:40, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
 * http://tribecacitizen.com/2010/04/27/nkotb-the-lang-school-and-the-quad-manhattan/
 * http://www.dnainfo.com/20101019/downtown/new-tribeca-school-serves-gifted-children-with-learning-disabilities

Actually, twice-exceptional education is a movement that started in the early 1970s with 'gifted handicapped' education, essentially the same population. This isn't a niche market. It's a group of children and an education approach backed by 35 years of research and best practices tailored to that group's unique needs. Basically, we are talking about a marriage between special education and gifted education--a strengths-based, differentiated approach that provides special education supports. Over time, what is learned from schools like Bridges, Lang and the half dozen or so part-time programs like it in public schools around the country, are gradually influencing both gifted and special education programs. There was another school that, if a history of twice-exceptional education is to be included over time in Wikipedia, should be included also: Brideun. It was the first such elementary school program in the country (in the Denver area), but it only lasted 5 years. This is a movement with a cast of characters around the country, many of whom are on The Lang School's board precisely because it is a landmark moment and school in the developing history of this movement--here, I speak of Sally Reis (partner of Joseph Renzulli in running U Conn's gifted ed dept and national gifted ed research center), Susan Baum (founder of the movement itself) and Lois Baldwin (founding teacher and director of the country's first twice-exceptional program in Westchester, north of NYC). Collectively, these three have founded the National Association of Gifted CHildren's new Twice-Exceptional Education Task Force. Baldwin and Baum founded and run AEGUS, the national association for twice-exceptional education. Every education conference in the country has sessions on twice-exceptional education and the number/proportion increase with each year. To not include the players of this movement in Wikipedia, including the only two schools in the country that specialize in this group and which are sites for research in this approach, would be to deny the public access to essential historical information.SuzieQ46 (talk) 17:13, 7 November 2010 (UTC)  Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:46, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Education-related deletion discussions.  -- Jclemens-public (talk) 00:44, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep. This is not a niche market; conventional schools do a poor job with doubly exceptional kids, so this school addresses a very real problem, and as an experiment in education, the school is one that is likely to garner a lot of nonlocal attention. The school opened just 2 months ago, so it might be premature to expect a lot of third-party coverage. So far, however, it's been covered in several very local newspapers and some non-local newsletters on education for learning disabilities and giftedness. Unless it fails soon, I expect it will receive more outside attention. If that doesn't happen, then the article can be considered for deletion again, but I expect that in a few months' time there will be more coverage to cite. --Orlady (talk) 02:48, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions.  -- Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:46, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep as it does establish its notability with various 3rd party sources outside of it's local area. I'm against the idea that schools are inherently notable, but this is one of the few that genuinely can demonstrate independent coverage. Handschuh-talk to me 03:04, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep Article makes a more than credible claim of notability, backed up by appropriate sources. Alansohn (talk) 21:33, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.