Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Last Chance Detectives


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The result was   keep.  MBisanz  talk 01:18, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

The Last Chance Detectives

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Notability is not established and sourcing is questionable to rather poor. While not a film, I've used WP:MOVIE as a rough guide for notability here. No evidence of wide distribution, nor reviews by national critics, no awards, etc. Media reprints of press releases are excluded from establishing notability, which would discredit the first and last sources (1 and 5). I don't have full access to sources 2 and 3, but they do not seem to be about this series in particular, but more generally about the parent companies. They both seem to be about a number of ventures, and I imagine, in a sub-500 word article about a broader topic, this series is only mentioned trivially (the title and blurbs don't mention the series at all...) Source 4 is a local paper saying filming will take place by a local airport, hardly notable. Nothing that would be considered published works such as books, television documentaries, full-length featured newspaper articles from large circulation newspapers, full-length magazine reviews and criticism. Andrew c [talk] 02:15, 4 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep – several reliable sources. You may make the argument that notability is not established because there is no critical commentary, but that's not entirely true. Source #4 is a newspaper article solely centered on the series. #1 is likewise. The others are (as far as I know), not solely focused on the series, and source the content mentioned. Per WP:GNG, the article meets the general guideline for notability, and includes several RS.  TheAE  talk / sign  04:33, 4 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep - I think this (barely) meets WP:N. I added 2 sources, and more can probably be found.&mdash; LinguistAtLarge • Talk  04:55, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
 * The two sources you added are no more than trivial coverage, in terms of notability. One is a one sentence mention in a Forbes article from 1997. The other one is part of Oak Park Public School's Special Education library resources, and the mention of "The Last Chance Detectives" is within a list of Focus on the Family video series. I don't believe having a one liner in Forbes establishes notability. I don't believe having been cataloged by the Oak Park Public School system establishes notability. I did a Lexis Nexis search last week and did not find anything of note. What we really need is some significant coverage, and I don't believe that has been found. -Andrew c [talk] 05:48, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Regardless, they are sourced facts that meet both WP:V and WP:N, and so does the article.  TheAE  talk / sign  06:22, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment It may help to verify several pieces of information, but for a source to establish notability there are stricter rules than for those that just verify a fact. Trivial mentions are fine for verification not to establish notability per WP:GNG. If the trivial mentions say the show won awards or things like that, the content of the trivial mention is more important than its size. The same goes for press releases by the company that makes the show. They're not independent so not suitable to establish notability. I'm witholding my vote pending further investigation on my part. - Mgm|(talk) 09:10, 4 March 2009 (UTC)


 * This page shows at least two notables in the voice cast of the radio show. If this can be verified through independent means, I think notability has definitely been established per WP:CREATIVE and/or WP:NF. - Mgm|(talk) 09:13, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep first I've heard of it, but at three albums and three movies I'd say it's notable enough. Focus on the Family isn't some guy in his garage or something, they also did the Narnia adaptations with David Suchet, among other things. Andrew Lenahan -  St ar bli nd  14:24, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Seems to me, there should be an article on various Focus on the Family/Tyndale Family Video productions. "The Last Chance Detectives" could have a section in such an article, but I don't believe it is notable enough to have it's own article. Just because it wasn't produced in someone's basement doesn't mean that multiple, independent sources gave this series significant coverage. -Andrew c [talk] 14:47, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Why would we do that when no other studios are handled that way? Andrew Lenahan -  St ar bli nd  16:27, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Handled what way? We don't have articles on studies that mention their various projects that don't have articles themselves? (>ahem<... BlueFish TV, Film Booking Offices of America, NFL Films, etc)-Andrew c [talk] 17:07, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions.  —PC78 (talk) 11:57, 5 March 2009 (UTC)


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