Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Left and war (2nd nomination)


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The result was narrowly delete as WP:OR. The text is available for improvement if anyone wants it. Sandstein 17:15, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

The Left and war
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It was AfD in 2005, with no consensus, but with all those voting keep arguing that the article could be saved by a major reworking. This has never happened, and I thus believe it is time that this article is finally deleted, due to all the POV and centricism problems noted upon in the first AfD nomination User: (talk • contribs • count) 18:28, 14 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Comment - here's the diff between the article when it was nominated the first time, and as it stands now. --Bookandcoffee 20:29, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:SYNTH - Bunch of not directly related actions knitted under a big broad topic Corpx 00:47, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Weak keep - Actually, as Bookandcoffee shows, there has been quite a major re-write since the last AFD, with most of the problems addressed to some extent, although room for considerable improvement. The article is now fairly neutral and informative, and the topic is important. There are two reasons to delete, I think: (a) the general wikipedia caution around "and" articles (which often start as forks from main articles, e.g. this I think originated as a section of Left-wing politics; (b) the lack of inward links (I think only Left-wing politics links to it) which might suggest that the topic isn't actually important. However, re (b) there are probably pages that could usefully link to it, e.g. the pages on opposition to the various wars. BobFromBrockley 12:09, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment It has received a major rewrite, but it is still inherently problematic to view a complex and heterogenous as "The Left" in a single article on how "The Left" sees war. As Corpx says... User: (talk • contribs • count) 12:48, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep, its information that can't fit in the Left-wing politics section but gives important further context to the material there. If it is to deleted then information should first be merged into Left-wing politics article.--JK the unwise 16:44, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:SYN.--Aldux 17:25, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete - Original research, and connects a lot of "leftist" movements together that have little real connection. SolidPlaid 17:53, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,


 * Weak keep I don't think it is necessarily to be viewed as POV. It describes a real historical tendency. But it obviously needs sourcing--and it should be sourceable, for there are a multitude of books written about the general question or major aspects. DGG (talk) 00:14, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment I admit to only skimming the article (which is why I'm not "voting"), but this article seems to be arguing that X is both black and white. What is the point of the article? To show that the left has had an opinion on war? Faithlessthewonderboy 00:40, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment X is both black and white is actually quite a useful thing to have an article about, if it is generally believed that X is only black or only white. As the issue is complex, doing justice to it (which the article doesn't yet, but could) would not fit into existing other articles. BobFromBrockley 12:33, 22 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete If this were done right, it would be an endless article, and, at any stage, would simply be redundant to other articles. Dahn 10:05, 21 August 2007 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.