Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Legacy (Lindenwood University)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   redirect to Lindenwood University. There does not appear to be significant improvement as to sourcing. Feel free to merge any usable content from the page history. T. Canens (talk) 01:43, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

The Legacy (Lindenwood University)

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Student run newspaper, no independent indications of notability. Shadowjams (talk) 09:52, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep college newspaper articles are considered notable. see: List of student newspapers in the United States of America. Bhockey10 (talk) 10:18, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep Retention of this article does not conflict with Wiki policies as I understand them. CheeseStakeholder (talk) 13:29, 20 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete- There's no automatic notability for college newspapers per policy, and this one appears to fail WP:GNG. Claritas § 13:35, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete or Merge to Lindenwood University if it's possible- No evidence of notability and the article is unreferenced.Farhikht (talk) 15:36, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Merge is better than delete, however it is sourced- not many yet, but there are three sources (and lots of other college newspaper articles are in worse shape btw). For other wiki articles it has been determined that college newspapers qualify as independent varifiable souces b/c they are generally semi-independent from the university, so here are sources going the other way from school to paper. Bhockey10 (talk) 18:38, 20 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Merge - As WP:INHERITED notes (though I'll admit it's not a policy), just because something is a college newspaper does not automatically make it notable. Most of the newspapers in List of student newspapers in the United States of Americajust have articles for the colleges themselves, and those that do have articles for the publications are those like The California Aggie, which is a daily newspaper that distributes 13,000 copies a day, not an every other Wednesday paper. Keep - see discussion below.— Parent5446 ☯ ([ msg] email) 20:10, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Merge, per Parent5446. - Reconsider !  11:01, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Parent is confusing notablility with popularity, there's also a number of smaller and lesser known colleges and universities on the list. Bhockey10 (talk) 23:20, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
 * A weekly university newspaper is not inherently notable. Sources can change that, but I don't see that here. The merge suggestion is complimentary, seems like a windfall compromise for a university newspaper. Shadowjams (talk) 08:09, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes I agree a merge is better than full delete b/c it retains the info to the main article. There are sources on the article as I said earlier: "For other wiki articles it has been determined that college newspapers qualify as independent varifiable souces b/c they are generally semi-independent from the university, so here are sources going the other way from University to paper" Personally living on the east coast I've never heard of The California Aggie that parent noted earlier (popularity), obviously by brining it up as an example he thinks its notable (different from popularity), but it has as many maybe less sources than the legacy article which has two from the university and one from an outside source. The Cali Aggie has one broken link, one is a letter from the editor (own article), and one from the university. Bhockey10 (talk) 18:39, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * You know what, I probably should have given a better example than the Aggie. Sorry about that. The Auburn Plainsman is more suitable. (And by the way, I do not know the Aggie because of it's popularity or anything, nor am I confusing popularity with notability. I live on the east coast as well.) The newspaper has received awards from the Associated Press among numerous other decorations. If a newspaper in notable in a manner separate from the notability of the its backing university or the stories it covers, then it should be given its own article. — Parent5446 ☯ ([ msg] email) 21:21, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * And Again the Auburn Plainsman is another example souces: one broken link and one from the university. Bhockey10 (talk) 22:04, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * This is not an article cleanup debate, it's an AfD. The quality of the article is irrelevant; we are questioning the notability of a student newspaper, or rather the implicit ability to cleanup. The Auburn Plainsman is an award-winning newspaper, and that can be proven by simply going to the Associated Collegiate Press's website and checking the award winners. In other words, the Auburn Plainsman may have bad references now, but the article can be improved. The Legacy, on the other hand, has not won any awards, has not been recognized by any third-party source. I mean, it is quite possible my Internet searching skills have declined, so if you have evidence otherwise please bring it forth. — Parent5446 ☯ ([ msg] email) 01:01, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * One of the refs used is from the Missouri Press Association from which it has won award(s). The info may have been left out of the article. Both examples and this article need improvement! Most articles start as stubs, Also it's a new paper created in 2007 so hasnt had the opportunity to win many awards and have a long article like Auburn. My point is most of these newspaper articles seem to need cleanup, keep them and add cleanup and/or refs tag would suffice better than deletion. This article is no different, and has as many and in some cases more sources right now than others. Bhockey10 (talk) 02:31, 23 June 2010 (UTC)


 * OK, for some reason I could not find the Missouri Press Association award previously. With this evidence I'll change my vote to keep. — Parent5446 ☯ ([ msg] email) 18:23, 23 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of News-related deletion discussions.  —• Gene93k (talk) 15:08, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions.  —• Gene93k (talk) 15:08, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete as failing WP:GNG. There is a brief mention at Lindenwood University which can be expanded with the award and anything else that can be sourced. TerriersFan (talk) 20:51, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
 * read above discussion it doesn't fail WP:GNG. Bhockey10 (talk) 21:51, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I think it's time to close this AfD, not much activity in here anymore. 4 Keep, and 3 merge/delete. Bhockey10 (talk) 21:51, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, --  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 08:59, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Lindenwood University. No need to do any merging since The Legacy is already described at that page. --MelanieN (talk) 04:31, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Keep per WP:HEY - it appears now to be referenced. I don't see how a redirect can do anything good, as it would delete content and important links. Bearian (talk) 15:43, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.