Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Lieutenants

The Lieutenants
Band vanity. Couldn't find any relevant Google results. "They are about to play their first gig" says it all. David Johnson 17:49, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. It doesn't even say where they'll be playing their first gig! Even as a vanity piece, it fails!  P Ingerson 19:10, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Appears to be an advertisement for a yet to be established band, by two of its members. At some point we will record 'Go' and produce some Cd's. I shall place dates here at the time of much knowing. Ummm, others have tried. Both contributors are IPs with significant edit histories, so the welcomes are going to be a bit tricky. Andrewa 20:19, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete not yet notable. By the way, the plural for CD is CDs, not CD's. Wyss 20:29, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * School Marmish Comment: Nope.  The plural is "CD's."  An apostrophe is used for the plural of numerals and acronymns.  The purpose is to make clear that the plural marker is not part of the acronymn (C-Des, rather than CDS and 19 70es, rather than the 1970s).  Geogre 22:13, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * If my recollection of Eats, Shoots and Leaves serves, then I think CDs would be the currently accepted usage in Britain, while CD's is still currently the preferred way in the U.S. So you're both right. Unless I'm wrong. Which I could be. And by the way Delete. Wikipedia is not your band's liner notes. -R. fiend 00:03, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * It's true that misuse of the possessive apostrophe is more widely tolerated in the US, but it's still plain wrong. Correct usage: My Abba's Greatest Hits CD's jewel box broke yesterday, so I nicked one from one of my flatmate's poxy Britney Spears CDs. The lower case s clearly shows that it's separate from the acronym CD. Wyss 01:11, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Reference Works on My Desk School Marmish Comments:
 * 7.15 Letters, abbreviations, and numerals. Capital letters used as words, abbreviations that contain no interior periods, and numerals used as nouns form the plural by adding s. (Chicago Manual of Style, 15th Edition, pg 281)
 * Form the plural of an acronym by adding an s with no apostrophe (Microsoft Manual of Style, 3rd Edition, page 210) (And yes, they use the word "acronym" incorrectly, as shown by the examples they cite)
 * Form the plural of an acronym or initialism by adding an s. Do not use an apostrophe. (Handbook of Technical Writing, 6th Edition, page 18)
 * 12.M.3 Initials can be made plural
 * MPs (Members of Parliament)
 * VIPs (very important persons)
 * OAPs (old age pensioners)
 * UFOs (unidentified flying objects)
 * (A Practical English Grammar, 4th Edition, page 28)
 * Delete --Calton 00:30, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Were those British sources? I didn't know that there was variant between the nations (although Chicago I can easily explain).  There is a time when an acronymn is so common that it ceases to carry the periods, and it seems like those sources are saying that those cases can take an -s without the apostrophe.  Whereas my humble Harcort Brace English Grammar 11th ed. states no such thing, but rather that only the very most common acronymns may be treated so familiarly (and never numbers).  "UFO" is common enough to go without the periods and thus without the apostrophe.  I'm old fashioned, though, and still regard the CD as having its periods, even if it's now too old for them. Geogre 01:03, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * The first three are American, and the last British, from the OUP.
 * A quick, fairly random, check of some news sites:
 * The Guardian - "...You could also win a boxed set of CDs of the new series..."
 * BBC - "Illegal CDs, DVDs, computer software and games worth Â£10m are seized in central Scotland."
 * Houston Chronicle - "Among new releases this week are CDs from teen queens Lindsay Lohan ..."
 * Sky News - "Don't miss your chance to get hold of some fantastic ABBA CDs..."
 * New York Times - "These days jazz musicians reflexively put together well-balanced CD's..."
 * Looks like the NY Times is the outlier here.--Calton 02:51, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)


 * Delete, obviously. Gamaliel 20:34, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Non-notable. Jayjg 20:35, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete, but I wouldn't have a problem with it being moved to the appropriate user page. [[User:MacGyverMagic|Mgm|(talk)]] 21:53, Dec 8, 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete: Unsigned, not distributed, not yet notable. Geogre 22:13, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)