Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Lost Treasure


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Guerillero Parlez Moi 10:41, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

The Lost Treasure

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Completely unsourced article about a film, not making any serious claim to passing WP:NFILM. As always, films don't get an automatic notability freebie just because they exist, but must reliably source some evidence of significance (critical attention, noteworthy awards, etc.) -- but existence is the only claim on offer here, the article on the Croatian Wikipedia says even less than this does and cites just one primary source that isn't support for notability either, and I can find absolutely no WP:GNG-worthy sources about it on a Google search under either the English or Croatian titles. Furthermore, this was prodded in January as "non-notable film", and then deprodded a few days later as "notable film" -- but you don't make a film notable by throwing the word "notable" around, you make a film notable by adding sources to improve the article, which never happened. As I don't have access to any databases in which I could retrieve 25-year-old Croatian media coverage, I'm willing to withdraw this if somebody with access to such resources can find improved sourcing to salvage it with -- but simply existing isn't "inherently" notable enough to exempt it from having to cite any reliable sources. Bearcat (talk) 16:42, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Film and Croatia. Bearcat (talk) 16:42, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 17:17, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
 * It's relatively easy to confirm its existence in Croatian sources - with a bit of trouble as its name is partially or fully ambiguous with other movie names and other works of art, but it definitely appears in all relevant indices as such. The general notability is somewhat dubious, because significant coverage online is scarce. I found a 2012 article in a mainstream web portal that includes it in a list of the best Croatian comedies. The history of the Pula Film Festival notes in their timeline for 1996 that this film caused a controversy there because it was shown despite its original language being English. That's about it. It's possible that it's becoming a cult trash film, but not sure. --Joy &#91;shallot&#93; (talk) 18:30, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Weak keep I guess, based on the discussion above, sources are likely to exist in the native language. Good faith assumption. Oaktree b (talk) 17:34, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
 * We don't keep poorly sourced articles just because we presume that better sources might exist than anybody has actually found or used — once notability has been questioned, it's necessary to demonstrate that sufficient GNG-worthy sourcing definitely does exist, and just speculating on possibilities isn't enough. Bearcat (talk) 16:29, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Relisting comment: An analysis of sources which are not "brief", nor presumed rather than found and shown, may help to determine the notability of the subject. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Seraphimblade Talk to me 05:55, 10 October 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Guerillero  Parlez Moi 00:35, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep. The film has an entry in this book on the history of Croatian film: The book discusses how the film began as a project by an amateur film maker. It took a ten year period to make, during which time that film maker became involved in documentary film making professionally. When it was released it became a critical success in Croatia. There's a plot summary and commentary on critical response to the work among the Croatian press/public. The film is also discussed briefly in this second book on Croatian film history, although the coverage is minimal in comparison to the first source:  Given that two books on cinema history in Croatia address the work, and the fact that the one source indicates that there are Croatian language media reviews, I think this should pass WP:NFILM and WP:SIGCOV.4meter4 (talk) 02:38, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep per 4meter4.  Arbitrarily0   ( talk ) 02:22, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Weak keep. I'm not seeing much here, and a Google search turns up nothing that would help it meet WP:GNG, but I didn't look hard enough. =)  Even so, given the above, I would really like to see some reliable sources to help this article stay.  It's got some potential, but somebody needs to come in and fix it, and if we can find them in English so much the better.  Worst case, maybe transwiki to the Croatian version of Wikipedia (if it exists). -- Dennis The Tiger   (Rawr and stuff) 03:47, 22 October 2022 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.