Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Low Countries before (1600-1609) and during the Twelve Years’ Truce (1609-1621)


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The result was delete. czar ⨹   16:20, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

The Low Countries before (1600-1609) and during the Twelve Years’ Truce (1609-1621)

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I can't find a focus or meaning in this article and therefore it is surplus to the already existing articles Eighty Years' War, Twelve Years' Truce, Eighty Years' War (1566–1609), Tercio, Dutch Revolt and a few more. Looks like a copy and paste creation. The Banner talk 18:38, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete - unwieldy and with few citations, digresses all over the place (e.g. the stuff on tercios). Article would need a lot of work by editors to improve the quality. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 19:15, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete No clear topic. Other articles should already cover the material.Skylark777 (talk) 20:16, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete The prose in this article is generally poor. I found quite a few sentences which would need revising to meet the standards of Wikipedia writing. Three examples:


 * From the lede:


 * The Dutch Republic, smaller in size than the Netherlands now, in this period in the Spanish Southern Netherlands only conquered Sluis in Zeelandic Flanders.


 * Already at the end of the 16th century a vague Greater Netherlands identity within the Burgundian Netherlands (1384-1477), the Habsburg Netherlands (1477-1555) and the Spanish Netherlands (1555-1581) became lost, when Spain after the Flemish Beeldenstorm in 1566, the revolt against Alva in 1572, the revolt of the Pacification of Ghent in 1576, and the Union of Utrecht in 1579, in 1581 could no longer prevent the independence of the calvinist Dutch Republic, no more than the Spanish Armada in 1588 could prevent England from remaining Anglican or its invasion of France from 1592 on could prevent that country from tolerating its Calvinist Huguenots.


 * From the section The Low Countries before (1600-1609) and during the Twelve Years’ Truce (1609-1621):


 * Spain was thus defeated by the English protestants, France and now the Dutch protestants and the facto recognized Dutch independence. CorinneSD (talk) 23:30, 4 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete Per all above  Jay  Jay What did I do? 23:46, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
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 * Delete (possibly userify to enable the editor to find another home for this). I have not considered its accuracy at length, but this has the feel of a pamphlet or WP:ESSAY, not an encylopedia article.  If there is any good content, it might be merged elsewhere, but we cannot keep this.  Peterkingiron (talk) 14:42, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Noting also the author's response at User_talk:Marcel_Victor_Gunst czar ⨹   16:19, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
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