Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Maniacs


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The result was   redirect to FK Željezničar Sarajevo. Mark Arsten (talk) 20:37, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

The Maniacs

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Article about a fan club. No evidence of significant secondary source coverage and no credible claim of notability. Previously deleted 3 times, first by PROD then by A7 and G12. I don't see anything here that's substantially different from the original version that was deleted in 2007, insofar as evidence of notability or source coverage. I don't have any experience with sports fan clubs, though, and don't really know what kind of coverage would demonstrate notability in the WP sense. IllaZilla (talk) 19:15, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
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 * Redirect to FK Željezničar Sarajevo if sources can be found. GiantSnowman 11:41, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep - I'm the creator of the article and I don't see a reason for it to be deleted. First, it isn't the first one in the category and it is closely tied with FK Željezničar Sarajevo. Why should this article be deleted but not for eg. Delije, Ultras Zrinjski, Torcida Split and similar, even Grobari, although having some references, is quite similar to this one. None of them have have been also referenced by significant secondary source, but you can't say that they have no credible claim of notability, because all those groups I have written above are pretty known in Former Yugoslavia, are closely tied with the club they support (when you say FC Red Star, many also immediately remember their supporters) and on the Ultras scene. If you find that the article should be expanded, it won't be a problem for me to do that. I also can find some reliable references, like the one who wrote about the fights between The Maniacs and Torcida Split and similiar. Most of those articles write in negative tone and almost always only write about Ultras groups when they have done something terrible and that's the way in almost every country, especially East Europe. AnelZukic (talk) 01:11, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Please see WP:OTHERSTUFF and WP:N. The presence of other articles about fan clubs is irrelevant. The only way to show notability is through significant coverage in secondary sources. --IllaZilla (talk) 03:39, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete No citations, and no evidence it meets GNG. Eldumpo (talk) 22:34, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Redirect to FK Željezničar Sarajevo, and if sources can be found add the information to the parent article. --Mentoz86 (talk) 16:32, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Redirect - or make this section of another wiki-page (suchg as the main page for the team). There are no independent references (or any references at all) with this page, and not enough for it to deserve a page in its own right.  Hairy poker monster (talk) 10:58, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
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