Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Marching Virginians


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The result was   keep. Secret account 20:00, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

The Marching Virginians

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Not clear how this student organization might meet notability guidelines. References provided are a single ESPN.com article, letter to the editor in the student newspaper and primary sources. Hardly the kind of significant coverage in 3rd party sources notability guidelines call for. Contested prod. RadioFan (talk) 01:54, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
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 * Keep. Lit search in a newspaper database includes many substantial hits, i.e. articles substantially about the marching band in McClatchy News Service and in US Fed News Service, e.g. "MARCHING VIRGINIANS HOLD 13TH ANNUAL HOKIES FOR HUNGRY FOOD DRIVE", US Fed News Service, Including US State News [Washington, D.C] 26 Oct 2009.   I also see lots of scattered hits in major papers specifically relating to 2007 shooting incident, e.g. Los Angeles Times: "THE NATION; Services held for shooting victims", 22 Apr 2007: A.21. which has abstract as follows:  "Hundreds of mourners packed the gymnasium at [Ryan Clark]'s former high school to hear rousing songs from his former bandmates and praise for the young man with a contagious laugh. Clark was in his fifth year in the Marching Virginians, who traveled to this small eastern Georgia town for the service at Lakeside High School, where Clark and his twin brother, Bryan, graduated in 2002."  The scattered hits are significantly about the band, and are significant, and with the regular hits in lesser news services all provide substantial coverage.  There is a significant Marching Virginians Alumni Association, too (which perhaps can be covered as a section in the main article). -- do  ncr  am  05:39, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment I also saw a number of articles mentioning the organization in the context of the Virginia Tech shooting incident. The organization is mentioned but the primary subject of those articles is the shooting, which is obviously notable.  However, notability is not inherited.--RadioFan (talk) 02:35, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention but it need not be the main topic of the source material.It may be sensible to find out how much these sources are devoted to this topic.--180.155.72.174 (talk) 02:45, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep. Passes notability guidelines. I've added one reference and there are others out there with significant coverage. Philg88 ♦talk 09:35, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment another reference from the student newspaper does little to demonstrate notability.--RadioFan (talk) 02:30, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
 * As I understand it, the Collegiate Times has editorial oversight and is independent of the institution, which makes it a reliable source as far as notability goes. Philg88 ♦talk 20:06, 29 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica1000 21:32, 6 July 2014 (UTC)




 * Comment This still not closed?  Here's another article in Washington Post with substance about the band, from before the 2009 shooting:  "In Defiance, Students Persist With Raunchy Cheer" [FINAL Edition] Kinzie, Susan; Adam Kilgore - Washington Post Staff Writers. The Washington Post [Washington, D.C] 16 Sep 2007: C.5.  It's about the university trying to quell a cheer where the students chime "thrust it in", which "used to be prompted by the rattle of the drumsticks of the Marching Virginians band when the Hokies got past the 20-yard line; it was about getting the ball in the end zone. Students couldn't yell the cheer without demonstrating it."  The band has been stopped from playing the cheer.  It's a 512 word article.  More articles available.  I voted Keep above.  -- do  ncr  am  02:20, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep – In addition to what has already been mentioned, there is coverage in The Roanoke Times, including    Paul Erik  (talk) (contribs) 14:07, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks, that first link documents fundraising going on towards the marching band getting a $4.7 million practice facility! Seems clearly notable.  Thanks. -- do  ncr  am  15:57, 15 July 2014 (UTC)


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