Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Marmot's Hole


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was keep. &mdash; Nearly Headless Nick  {L} 15:45, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

The Marmot's Hole


non notable websites Ag afd 00:31, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep, 275,000 google hits on "The marmot's hole" (with quotes). Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 01:06, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete 275,000 hits, but I could not find a single one in the first four pages of results that originated from a reliable source. A bunch of cross linked blogs do not assert notability. Resolute 04:59, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
 * So the fact that there's too many unreliable sources to find the reliable ones among them means that reliable ones must not exist? Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 01:06, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete as per nom and Resolute. All google hits seem to come from other blogs in blog echo chamber effect Bwithh 05:27, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Tentative keep, I'm not big on blogs as a rule but this one is extremely well known in the expat and Koreanist community. Found one published mention, this article from the Joongang Ilbo, which calls it "the most widely read Korea-related blog."  (No figures are cited, but if that's not true, I'll be very surprised.)  I'm sure more sources can be found, although it will require cutting through an ungodly amount of blogcruft.  -- Visviva 14:08, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete- No notability and no reason to keep. Arctic-Editor 20:44, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep, bring to the attention of folks like WikiProject Korea, et al. If, after a month or three, it still appears non-notable, AfD it again. -Toptomcat 22:50, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
 * DeleteNo evidence of notability. Borderline db-empty candidate.--Anthony.bradbury 23:11, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete - is there a Korean wiki where this might scrape in as marginally notable? Pete Fenelon 01:50, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
 * It's more than marginally notable, but I imagine there is already an article about this blog at the Galbijim Wiki. -- Visviva 02:40, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment: Once again, documenting blog notability isn't an area of expertise for me BUT this blog does seem to meet WP:WEB, with multiple non-trivial mentions in independent published sources.  I have added some.  Although I'm not sure exactly where the bar is set for "non-trivial," I assume it would include cases where discussions on the blog are discussed at length (as in the Ohmynews article), or used as a sample of expat opinion, as by the Joongang Ilbo.  The BBC ref is a little strange, since it appears on the surface to be a(n official) blog, but also seems to be reporting that Koehler was quoted qua blogger on Have Your Say, which doesn't appear to have an online archive of its own. -- Visviva 02:40, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep as per Toptomcat's comments RichMac (Talk) 02:44, 25 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Absolutely Keep. Sorry, I haven't had a lot of time lately, so I didn't get a chance to expand the article, but it DEFINATELY deserves an article. Anyway, The Marmot is without a doubt THE best know Korea-related weblog, deleting it would be absurd. It is very often cited by local English-language newspapers and plays an extremely important role in shaping the opinions of Korea expats on Korean issues. --Ce garcon 06:14, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Notice: Nomination was made by a since banned Single-purpose account. - Mgm|(talk) 13:53, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep The original article was weak, but the recent changes show it has received some notable media coverage. Polenth 02:36, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep. It is considered one of the best blogs about Korean expatriate life, it is a judge on the Asia Blog Awards, (though I am not certain if it was a winner in the past). It places 4th on Google with the keywords: Korea+blogging, and it has a huge following in the thousands. The blog author is a staff writer for Seoul Selection Magazine. I suggest a weak keep because there are many blogs already featured here.--MerkurIX(이야기하세요!)(투고) 03:00, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.