Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Mentally Ill


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Sarahj2107 (talk) 13:01, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

The Mentally Ill

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I still confirm my PROD which not only listed the concerns but what I found, which was in fact nothing, so unless there's so buried news coverage from the 1970s somehow online, there's nothing to suggest actual independent notability and substance, let alone any manageable improvements. The basis of "current sources" is quite thin in that none of the sources are actually convincing or substantial. At best, all I'm still finding a few indie websites. There's also absolutely no inherited notability from the John Wayne Gacy connections. SwisterTwister  talk  19:11, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. K.e.coffman (talk) 22:54, 28 September 2016 (UTC)


 *  Delete as it stands  I can't find mention even where I'd expect to - David Gerard (talk) 23:05, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Withdrawing this for now, Michig found passing sources that strongly suggest more sourcing would exist - David Gerard (talk) 10:40, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Illinois-related deletion discussions. K.e.coffman (talk) 23:16, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 00:21, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Weak keep. There's a trivial mention (as having found musical inspiration in the California serial killings of 1977–78) in a book about the Dead Kennedys. There's one paragraph of coverage of the 2004 Alternative Tentacles issue in Maximumrocknroll #256 that serves as a review, more or less. There's another review of sorts in Perfect Sound Forever, in the context of the Killed by Death punk bootleg records. The 2004 release also got a brief (and not entirely positive) review in online zine/label/etc. In Music We Trust; that's bylined, and they actually have acknowledged staff writers, but I'm still not confident they meet RS. I feel like there had to have been coverage somewhere between 1979 and 2004, based on how the 2004+ sources talk about the band, but I can't find any of it. Whether the material that seems available is sufficient to demonstrate notability is very much an open question, and my weak keep vote is largely predicated on the idea that we're probably missing some print-only sources. Squeamish Ossifrage (talk) 14:39, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Not soure I'd count MRR as evidence of notability - they literally try to review everything that's vaguely punk-related. OTOH, I understand your point on expected coverage ... though I was surprised I couldn't find book references, given how picked-over much of the history of punk is in books in GBooks - David Gerard (talk) 14:52, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep does have an allmusicbio, and album review which the vast majority of wikipedia music articles do not have, especially those that are prodded. ( only having a listing or not even that). The online press coverage and reviews for this period seems to have disappeared or is behind paywalls as reviews are even hard to impossible to find for albums by artists as famous as Marvin Gaye as a recent afd could only find a few book sources despite that album being reviewed in every national newspaper in the western world. Atlantic306 (talk) 20:16, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
 * yeah, there is that. A lot of this stuff requires for referencing either a record collector who kept all their old papers, a reference library or both - David Gerard (talk) 21:00, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Weak keep. The Allmusic review is probably one of several reviews of the album, and the band get a few other mentions, e.g., , , but quite brief ones. It's a bit thin, but enough for a decently-sourced stub. --Michig (talk) 07:39, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Weak keep per above. If outcome isn't that, it should be redirected to mental disorder. Patar knight - chat/contributions 03:17, 11 October 2016 (UTC)


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