Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Message of the Cross


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The result was merge to Jaerock Lee. czar ⨹   16:56, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

The Message of the Cross

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Book that does not meet WP:NBOOK. The sources are based on press releases, or primary sources, or very brief mentions. Simply having been translated into a number of languages doesn't make a book notable, not when there don't seem to be any sources talking about the book in those languages... Note that there's a walled garden of promotional articles around Jaerock Lee and his books; he is a notable person, but this book does not appear notable in its own right. bonadea contributions talk 20:11, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions.  Everymorning   talk  20:34, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:46, 13 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep -- If it had been translated into two or three languages, I would agree that translation was not a factor in notability, but the article claims 56 translations: that is not a small number. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:25, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
 * It is a substantial number, but that's not in itself a claim to notability. When a book has been picked up by a publisher in another language and been independently translated, there tends to be sources in the other language talking about the translation, but no such sources seem to exist. It is not unusual for an author or organisation to arrange for translations of a particular text into other languages, in which case the translations are a way of marketing the book, and that's not notable (unless, again, the translations are written about in secondary sources). --bonadea contributions talk 11:57, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Rcsprinter123    (speak)  @ 18:08, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Merge into the article about the guy. This subject may be notable but the article is uninformative for lack of sourcing Shii (tock) 00:49, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Merge/redirect to author's page. The number of languages that a work has been translated into does not confer notability. Neutralitytalk 05:15, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
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