Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Messiah at the Gates of Rome


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone  14:50, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

The Messiah at the Gates of Rome

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Delete - Tells a religious story rather than reporting on the story. SarekOfVulcan (talk) 20:08, 17 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep Relates a traditional parable from the Talmud.  How do you "report" on a parable?  Collect (talk) 21:09, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Parable of the Good Samaritan--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 21:33, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I dunno, but someone has begun adding the Talmud to Wikisource. Perhaps the answer lies there. Rklear (talk) 22:55, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. Pure description of the story without any description of its significance, etc. Wikipedia is not an annotated text.  This is assuming the article is not improved by addition of sourced discussion of the meaning and relevance of the parable, its history, or other information that is useful in understanding it. JulesH (talk) 21:22, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak keep with tag or something for now.  The article does need to be rewritten (for example, it should start "The Messiah at the Gates of Rome is a story that........") but could be a good article if someone can dig up sources about why it matters.  I think for now we could do quick fixes to make it conform to regular article format, and then have several cleanup tags to see if the article gets improved. Politizer talk / contribs 21:28, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep on the knowledge that it can be sourced further, for all the stories in the Talmud have been the subject of much later commentary; unfortunately I do not have the necessary skills to find hem myself, but others here do. DGG (talk) 01:16, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Merge into Messiah or Jewish messianism as a section. DGG, I'll bite. It is a pretty well-known story within Rabbinic circles and is important within Jewish tradition regarding good deeds causing the coming of the messiah. I however don't know why Jesus or Messiah son of Joseph are the "see also"...  Valley 2 city  02:44, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose delete, weak reason by nominee, assuming it should be a real problem, it certainly should be fixable. Power.corrupts (talk) 19:35, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep strongly keep. This is a very important matter. The article needs to be expanded, not otherwise. Das Baz aka Erudil 17:00, 20 January 2009 (UTC) It is terribly wrong to want to delete information and to suppress knowledge. das Baz, aka Erudil 17:02, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment I would equally have suggested deletion if the article had contained the following text.
 * "Now in the morning, when He was returning to the city, He became hungry. Seeing a lone fig tree by the road, He came to it and found nothing on it except leaves only; and He said to it, “No longer shall there ever be any fruit from you.” And at once the fig tree withered. Seeing this, the disciples were amazed and asked, “How did the fig tree wither all at once?” And Jesus answered and said to them, “Truly I say to you, if you have faith and do not doubt, you will not only do what was done to the fig tree, but even if you say to this mountain, ‘Be taken up and cast into the sea,’ it will happen. And all things you ask in prayer, believing, you will receive.”"
 * Without explanation of why a story is notable, it belongs elsewhere.--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 17:14, 21 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep but rewrite per Politzer. There's certainly a place on Wikipedia for articles about Talmud parables, but a mere restatement of one is not appropriate. Rklear (talk) 17:26, 21 January 2009 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.