Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Mirror (song)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   redirect to Awake (Dream Theater album). NW ( Talk ) 02:07, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

The Mirror (song)

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Contested prod; fails WP:NSONGS. The editor who contested the prod added the following claim to notability: "The song is also notable for being much heavier than the rest of the album" and for being contiguous with the song that follows it on the record. I can't say that contiguity with another song, or being heavier than other songs on the album (which isn't accurate in any event: Caught in a Web and Lie are no less "heavy") are convincing arguments for notability.

WP:NSONGS tells us that "[m]ost songs do not rise to notability for an independent article and should redirect to another relevant article" and that even if a song is notable, it should only be treated in a separate article "when there is enough verifiable material to warrant a reasonably detailed article...." This article doesn't meet that standard. - Simon Dodd { U·T·C·WP:LAW } 12:31, 20 August 2009 (UTC)  Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NW ( Talk ) 01:28, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Speedy redirect to Dream Theater Awake (Dream Theater album) as per the noms own quote from WP:NSONG Dylanfromthenorth (talk) 15:14, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions.  -- – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 17:32, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Merge & redirect to Awake (Dream Theater album), per Dylanfromthenorth and the nominator's quote. Rlendog (talk) 18:49, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete as a non-plausible search term, fails notability per WP:MUSIC. No awards, no chart, no covers, no WP:RS. Nothing to merge due to the lack of sources.   Esradekan Gibb    "Talk" 01:42, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The title is appropriate per WP:DAB and is the title under which experienced Wikipedians (who no doubt would expect a title like that to be dabbed) would likely look for the song. Rlendog (talk) 01:37, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Delete. Even as a fan, I can't find any way to support this song's claim for notability. Well worth mentioning in the articles about the album and about Portnoy exactly for the reasons brought in the article but not worth an article of its own. McMarcoP (talk) 08:34, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Speedy Redirect per above. Not a single, didn't chart.  Even if the song was death metal (claim that song is hevier than the rest of the album), it wouldn't be notable unless it met the NSONGS criteria. The Weak Willed 11:33, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per Esradekan. Niteshift36 (talk) 15:40, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.