Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Moving Toyshop


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was Keep. Notability established, reliable sources provided. @pple complain 14:38, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

The Moving Toyshop

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Delete contested prod; no assertion that this book meets WP:BK, no reliable 3rd party sources. Carlossuarez46 21:54, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Delete - clearly fails to meet WP:BK. Giles Bennett (Talk, Contribs) 22:00, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete - No significant coverage in reliable secondary sources. Subdolous 22:38, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
 * A 30 second check of the New York Times archives turned up 3 more. The article itself already cited P. D. James's article in the Wall Street Journal listing as one of her five favourites. That's "P. D. James" as in the P. D. James, perhaps the world's finest living crime writer and one of Britain's finest writers of any stripe. -- A. B. (talk) 01:41, 6 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete, fails WP:BK. Doctorfluffy 00:19, 3 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Strong Keep The article is clearly notable, in the fact that the book was dedicated to Phillip Larkin, who was widely recognised as the best English poet in the last 50 years. That makes it notable. Somebody needs to go in heavy and fix it up, with sources, additional detail.... scope_creep 00:39, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep. I agree with scope_creep, but not for the reason of the dedication. Edmund Crispin is one of the classic British detective authors and "The Moving Toyshop" is perhaps his best and best known book. It is notable, but has perhaps dropped out of the limelight recently and may have few internet sources. It needs expanding and fixing up. It should have a place here. --Bduke 04:34, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep One of the most famous books by a popular English author. Just because it's not currently in the best seller charts - it was published in 1946 - doesn't mean it wasn't well read in its day and notability doesn't erode over time.  This book is still in print after 60 years! As for no coverage in secondary sources, have those voting 'delete' actually bothered to look for any?  In 1987, noted mystery author and reviewer H.R.F. Keating composed a list  of his picks of the best mysteries and named The Moving Toyshop as the best detective book of its year.  To imply a book published in 1946 isn't notable on the basis of a lack of newspaper reviews avaliable on google is silly. No less an authority than P.D. James named it one of the five best detective novels of all time in this piece [ ] available on the Wall Street Journal site, writing that "this spirited frolic of a detective story retains its place as one of the most engaging and ingenious mysteries of its age." [[User:Nick mallory|Nick mallory]] 06:07, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep -- see WP:SNOWBALL. Here are some citations:
 * Original New York Times review.
 * The Times' mystery reviewer's comments on his list of all-time favourites.
 * Brief review on the occasion of the book's republication
 * I will be happy to e-mail copies of the "fee required" New York Times articles during the course of this AfD to anyone that wants one; I have a few remaining copies left in my monthly download allowance. -- A. B. (talk) 01:46, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I will be happy to e-mail copies of the "fee required" New York Times articles during the course of this AfD to anyone that wants one; I have a few remaining copies left in my monthly download allowance. -- A. B. (talk) 01:46, 6 November 2007 (UTC)


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