Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Murder Mystery Company


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The result was delete. Yunshui 雲 水 08:04, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

The Murder Mystery Company

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I'm a little surprised by the lack of coverage for this - I expected it to be notable but digging through what sources I could find doesn't bring up anything that would be significant enough to warrant an article. I'm also including Scott Cramton with this as a bundle since his primary claim to notability is TMMC and I can find no coverage of him either in relation to the company or otherwise. This source is pretty much the only significant piece I can find and it's not really so much about TMMC as the Wine Train. I suspect their partnership with the Napa Valley Wine Train will eventually become notable but it's WP:TOOSOON. No objection to a mention in Napa Valley Wine Train but anything more will be a bit undue since the most that can be said about it is the partnership. Praxidicae (talk) 18:18, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 18:21, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Michigan-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 18:22, 29 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep Scott Cramton on the basis of significant coverage in multiple reliable sources:, , . ~Kvng (talk) 14:01, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
 * is a full blown interview based on a local station appearance, interview in a hyper local paper, appears to be a guest column but even if this is a suitable source, we can't use a single ok-source to substantiate two entire articles, one of which is a BLP. Your definition of independent and significant is incorrect. Praxidicae (talk) 14:20, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Interviews that are a transcript of what the subject says are a problem; These are not that kind of interview. I'm not aware of a definition for or issue with "hyper local" sources for BLPs. ~Kvng (talk) 15:08, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete both There seems to be no real biographical coverage of Cramton. What coverage there is, really is significant coverage of the company. Unfortunately the company fails NCORP. The only source I could locate in the article, or when looking outside Wikipedia, which would satisfy NCORP for The Murder Mystery Company is the inc article - the fact that it was not a staff writer is irrelevant when considering its reliability in this case. WP:AUD is important when considering whether there is has been multiple reliable independent secondary sources discussing the company in significant detail and so the fact that the coverage of the company is hyperlocal is of importance when considering notability. We definitely don't need two articles here and it seems like we're not yet at the stage where notability justifies even one. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 01:11, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Merge or Redirect - merge with or redirect to Scott Cramton - Epinoia (talk) 20:51, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 03:17, 6 May 2019 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Relisting as there is no clear consensus

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kpg  jhp  jm  06:01, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete The references lack coverage and fails WP:SOAP. Syndicater (talk) 20:51, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete both The references are classic examples of advertorials and fail the criteria for establishing notability.  HighKing++ 10:27, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep Scott Cramton and The Murder Mystery Company on the basis of significant coverage in multiple reliable sources. The Inc. article was mentioned earlier, along with MLive , but there is also an article from The Boston Globe , and so many other articles from local news sources that support the biographical information needed for Cramton and The Murder Mystery Company. As for the advertorial and soapbox concerns, I have edited those to reflect a more neutral tone. There were self-serving quotes taken from sources, but those no longer appear in the article in an attempt to improve the overall quality. Notability concerns were also raised, but I do believe that there is significant and reliable coverage here from secondary sources to establish notability that comes from hyperlocal and regional publications. I will also disclose that I do have a COI because I was hired by The Murder Mystery Company to provide assistance with their social media and update their Wikipedia article since it had seen no significant revision since 2012 or 2013. My apologies to all the editors here for not disclosing this earlier - I am still new to the platform and learning every day. That being said, I have updated this article with information relating to the company's most recent history (2017-present). However, if my edits have in any way negatively impacted The Murder Mystery Company article's integrity, please, by all means, restore it to the version prior to my revisions, so that it may be judged for its content and not my interference. ~Hjpikaart (talk) 14:08, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Note to closing admin: The above editor seems to be a SPA who while adding the Boston Globe story also added this rather PROMO laden edit which makes some problems at the article worse rather than better. A YEH if you will. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 18:40, 15 May 2019 (UTC)


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